McCauleyphobia

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I don't want to come across as competitive, but I bet I despised Ray McCauley long before you did.

 I first encountered the phenomenon that is Pastor Ray on TV, one wife and many, many kilograms ago. Ray was being interviewed by that old TV teddy-bore, Tony Sanderson, the presenter of SABC 1's Late Night Live in the late ‘80s. And if you don't remember any of that, or why an oily god-botherer would be a guest on a late night entertainment show (clue: apartheid), you've no doubt also forgotten the late, great hypnotist, Max Collie, who happened to be the second guest that evening.

Tony Sanderson, you might remember, was gifted with the desperate-to-be-loved personality of an abused Labrador that made any non-moron want to punch him in the throat. So naturally, he was extremely popular in suburban South Africa, and somehow managing to whine and dry-hump his way from 5FM's (then Radio 5) drive-time slot to the nation's TV screens.

As always, Sanderson struggled to get his guests to pal up, and asked McCauley if he'd ever been hypnotised (or something like that). The pastor was immediately disdainful, mumbling something about hypnotism being a dark art because it removes your God-given free will, or some such primitive superstition.

Collie fired back, saying that what he did on stage with his volunteers was no different to what McCauley did to his audience from the pulpit.

There was a stunned silence – enough time for a teenage cheer from me – before Sanderson stepped in and did the exact opposite of what any TV host should do when guests start beating their chests: he changed the subject. Pussy! As in 'cat'. I'm lying about the cat.

Under the yoke of self-imposed stupidity that is unwavering faith, McCauley was as insufferable as you'd expect, revealing a bit of a cruel streak under that supercilious smile. He somehow reminded me of a used car salesman trapped in the twilight zone between kissing his last arse of the day and downing a half bottle of gin – both scary.  Eminently unlikable, in other words.

Now, I admit to an unforgivable lack of scepticism when I read across the media and the blogosphere that McCauley is a bastard of a boss, a psychologically abusive husband and an all-round, gluttonous carcinogen of a man. This is because I'm too busy celebrating. Hooray! For once, I have the same opinion as everyone else! It feels so warm and comforting, I'm even tempted to try it again. But then I read the reasons why people dislike him, and I'm back in contrary mode.

The main reason people despise McCauley seems to be his unrepentant suckling at the tit of his holy cash-cow until his corpulent dew-flaps  sweat pure butter. With his ostentatious, hedonistic lifestyle, his Harley-Davidson , his mutton-dressed-as-lamb glam, the fat, greying and balding McCauley looks like your dad in a perpetual state of midlife crisis. His most expensive accessory is his wife, Zelda, a Barbie-brained Botox receptacle – apparently she takes it in the face at least once a week for Pastor Ray – who plays the Little Orphan Annie to her husband's Daddy Warbucks, if you fast forward that musical story a decade or so. On second thoughts, don't. It's a repulsive image.

But come on – how is McCauley any different from the thousands of other greed-driven senior executives that pollute our urban landscape with their nouveau riche flash? Sure, he doesn't actually have a product to sell, but if you don't tell his punters, everyone walks away happy. That's business, folks - even a commie like me can see that. And at least McCauley never takes more than his clients want to give. Ethically, this places him orders of magnitude above banks, cellphone companies and landlords.

Besides, Jesus loved money. He encouraged is followers to sell their possessions and give donations (Luke 12:33) and even encouraged embezzlement to win his favour (Luke 16:1-9). He owned a house, ate expensive food (Mark 2:14-15 - later re-translated out of embarrassment for Jesus' materialism as Jesus rudely inviting himself to Levi's house), etc. He's twice described as a glutton and a drunkard (Matt. 11:19; Luke 7:34 and was not as averse to luxury and squander as they would have you believe in Sunday school. Check out the lesson of the wasteful anointment (Matt. 26:6-13; Mark 14:3-9; John 12:1-8) for more on that. He stole too – grain, in Matt. 12:1, and a colt (Luke 19:30-35), so for all we know, McCauley could be better than Jesus.

Then there's the whole getting cosy with Jacob Zuma thing, and if you didn't see this one coming 1.61 kms away, welcome back to Planet People. Leaving Christian values like tolerance and forgiveness aside for a moment (if I may), or even the Christian faith's stated primary mission to spread the Word to whoever will hear it, it's plain to see that McCauley is perfectly positioned to be the king's western witchdoctor. His congregation is far more reflective of the country's demographics than most local businesses are, and he doesn't even have to pay them to put up with his bullshit. Quite the contrary, in fact.

We only need to remember how old Nationalist MPs joined the ANC without so much as an ideological wobble, or remind ourselves of local companies with roots in the Broederbond who now happily suck face with communist China, to realise that anyone in McCauley's position would have done exactly the same thing. Like I said, it's just business, and in this world, unshakable ideology is just a harmless pastime for the powerless. Don't take it personally.

The reason I dislike McCauley has little to do with his religion or even his repugnant homophobia – as religious leader, I take that as a given. But you know how some people just get your hackles up for no real reason? And then years later, that person does something that makes you justify why you disliked them in the first place? Well, that's how I feel about McCauley. He's simply becoming everything I thought he was when I first laid eyes on him. The scary thing is: I think he's on a roll.

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Rational 12/1/2009 12:31 PM
Good read Chris! "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself." Sir Richard Francis Burton (1821 - 1890)
Amused 11/18/2009 11:07 AM
Hi Chris, love the article and couldnt agree more! What really is so funny are the responses ... haven't had such a good laugh for ages. Why are the religious fanatics so quick to take offence, methinks its a case of the louder they shout, they more they have to hide!
Christine 11/17/2009 4:34 PM
Chris, thanks for quoting the Word of God - He says in Isaiah 55:11 "so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it." You are a silly little man, thinking that over 40,000 people are following Ray McCauley. They are followers of Christ who has already forgiven you for your ugly essay.
Sbu 11/15/2009 10:12 PM
Do white christians know that Jesus was a black man, and that they actually worship a black man. It's a fraud to show jesus as a white, blue eyed blonde, this is fake, completely fake, made up by the deceiving church you have all been brainwashed to believe.
Isaac@gunny 11/15/2009 10:08 PM
"No other religion in history spread so rapidly as Islam. The West has widely believed that this surge of religion was made possible by the sword. But no modern scholar accepts this idea, and the Qur?an is explicit in the support of the freedom of conscience." "Muhammad, the inspired man who founded Islam, was born about A.D. 570 into an Arabian tribe that worshiped idols. Orphaned at birth, he was always particularly solicitous of the poor and needy, the widow and the orphan, the slave and the downtrodden. At twenty he was already a successful businessman, and soon became director of camel caravans for a wealthy widow. When he reached twenty-five his employer recognizing his merit, proposed marriage. Even though she was fifteen years older, he married her and as long as she lived remained a devoted husband." ?Like almost every major prophet before him, Muhammad fought shy of serving as the transmitter of God?s word sensing his own inadequacy. But the Angel commanded ?Read?. So far as we know, Muhammad was unable to read or write, but he began to dictate those inspired words which would soon revolutionize a large segment of the earth: "There is one God"." ?In all things Muhammad was profoundly practical. When his beloved son Ibrahim died, an eclipse occurred and rumors of God 's personal condolence quickly arose. Whereupon Muhammad is said to have announced, ?An eclipse is a phenomenon of nature. It is foolish to attribute such things to the death or birth of a human being'." ?At Muhammad's own death an attempt was made to deify him, but the man who was to become his administrative successor killed the hysteria with one of the noblest speeches in religious history: ?If there are any among you who worshiped Muhammad, he is dead. But if it is God you Worshiped, He lives for ever'.? -James Michener
Isaac@gunny 11/15/2009 10:02 PM
"No other religion in history spread so rapidly as Islam. The West has widely believed that this surge of religion was made possible by the sword. But no modern scholar accepts this idea, and the Qur?an is explicit in the support of the freedom of conscience." "Muhammad, the inspired man who founded Islam, was born about A.D. 570 into an Arabian tribe that worshiped idols. Orphaned at birth, he was always particularly solicitous of the poor and needy, the widow and the orphan, the slave and the downtrodden. At twenty he was already a successful businessman, and soon became director of camel caravans for a wealthy widow. When he reached twenty-five his employer recognizing his merit, proposed marriage. Even though she was fifteen years older, he married her and as long as she lived remained a devoted husband." ?Like almost every major prophet before him, Muhammad fought shy of serving as the transmitter of God?s word sensing his own inadequacy. But the Angel commanded ?Read?. So far as we know, Muhammad was unable to read or write, but he began to dictate those inspired words which would soon revolutionize a large segment of the earth: "There is one God"." ?In all things Muhammad was profoundly practical. When his beloved son Ibrahim died, an eclipse occurred and rumors of God 's personal condolence quickly arose. Whereupon Muhammad is said to have announced, ?An eclipse is a phenomenon of nature. It is foolish to attribute such things to the death or birth of a human being'." ?At Muhammad's own death an attempt was made to deify him, but the man who was to become his administrative successor killed the hysteria with one of the noblest speeches in religious history: ?If there are any among you who worshiped Muhammad, he is dead. But if it is God you Worshiped, He lives for ever'.? -James Michener
Woodgoat 11/15/2009 9:53 PM
I've heard of Ray McCauley. He's been around for quite a while and his ministry has prospered for approximately thirty years. Chris - who are you? Sorry, but I have never heard about you...
Krish 11/15/2009 9:45 PM
Ya, I think bestiality and sexual abuse of children are very much a part of the christian church and has been going on for hundreds of years, just look at the cases of abuse hidden by the catholic church for so long, i really feel hurt for these children
Sbu 11/15/2009 9:40 PM
i just read about the Christian Pastors in the US who forced little children into acts of bestiality and sexual abuse for decades, just shocking,@ Gunner - right wing christians have always tried to insult the prophet muhammed ever since he exposed the church, muhammed actually preached that jesus was a noble messenger of the almighty, christians will continue to make up lies taken from right wing and crazy sources to discredit Islam and muslims, and the character of the prophet, without actually learning the truth. It's shameful.
gunny 11/13/2009 4:59 PM
I know that you journalist are shit scared for the Muslims. Even if Mohammed made a nine year old his wife you are to damn scared to write anything negative about him. Show us you have balls and write the same crab about Mohammed. To scared I guess?
Child of Jesus 11/12/2009 8:37 AM
Chris, although I have decided never to read any of your negative drivel ever again, as a Christian I feel compelled to defend Jesus. The Bible says in 1 Timothy 6:3-5, If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and a constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain. Chris, I believe this Scripture describes you to a tee. I will pray for you to seek forgiveness from Jesus, from Christians who have been offended and from non-believers who have been led astray by your twisting of the Scriptures. As for the comment from a reader about the Bible having been written by man, that is true, but it was inspired and authorized by the Holy Spirit. Have you ever found another book that spans writings over many centuries that never contradicts itself? Food for thought.
Christian 11/8/2009 11:41 PM
Daniel Garratt - Totally agree with you. We all agree that Ray McCauley is busy Hi-jacking Christianity for his own personnel gain. One day he and all who commit this sin will have to answer to the LORD God for this sin, for God is not mocked. But Chris you are guilty of the same thing, when you try and mock Jesus and Christianity with your misquoting of the Bible. - (Luke 12:33) Sell all your belongings and give the money to the poor. Provide for yourselves purses that don't wear out, and save your riches in heaven, where they will never decrease, because no thief can get to them, and no moth can destroy them. Your Knowledge of the Bible is very poor; Jesus is warning his followers about depending upon material things. - (Luke 16:8) As a result the master of this dishonest manager praised him for doing such a shrewd thing; because the people of this world are much shrewder in handling their affairs than the people who belong to the light." Once the verses are taken out of context, Jesus is using a Parable to tell his followers how the worldly deal with material matters, he is stating a known fact that worldly people are often more shrewd when dealing with money matters, case in point Pastor Ray McCauley and others like him. Remember just like God will not allow Ray to mock him, he will also not allow you to mock him. My pray is that God will open your eyes to him, you are intelligent, now be wise and change. Been a Christian has little to do with religion and everything to do with following Jesus Christ. God Bless you all.
EffKay 11/8/2009 3:41 PM
So finally sports "heroes" can claim: Ray McCauley made me Joost Do It! Arguably local evil is lekkerder than the fancy imported stuff.
saleh abrahams 11/7/2009 10:19 AM
brilliant article - i couldnt agree more - keep spresding the word. This man has got to be exposed
Riaan Moll 11/6/2009 3:40 PM
Hey hey! Accusations of sockpuppetry! Is this your response in lieu of dealing with my comments? But thanks anyway, I'm flattered. Chris' article rocks but I'm not nearly as eloquent.
Ray and church = ANC mentality 11/6/2009 3:38 PM
Hey Chris I suspected you were a "mole" posing as Riaan "Moll" beginning with your post (Riaan 11/4/2009 3:13 PM). Thanks for allowing me to post my satirical comments which normally would never go up. It's been fun ripping off and winding up these religinuts with you (especially Tjalie who thought he was being so smart with his "nilk" comment - I sure put him down!). Gay Macauley (oops i mean Ray Macauley - so sorry but my backspace button suddenly won't work?!) is a corrupt harlequin and I'm being sincere about the Church and Christians being similar to the ANC: refer to my earlier post (11/4/2009 3:56 PM) especially when it comes to one of their own being insulted or how they support a member even in the face of overwhelming evidence against their fellow member (e.g. Leonard Chuene / Ray), not to mention the BS lies and intimidation ("we will mobilise society" vs judgement day), corruption (R1mil beemers vs Ferrari or houses - police ministers mansion in waterkloof/RDP houses vs Ray's mansion). Shocking how blind and ignorant these imbeciles are (yes YOU! YOU brainwashed christian!)... The ANC even uses christianity as part of it's campaigning e.g. wasn't Allan Poesak told about 2 days ago something along the lines of "welcome back to God's party" and all the references to Zuma being persecuted like Jebus was (crap, my backspace button still won't work - I need a new keyboard...) and ruling until Jesus comes (shoo! - managed not to mis-spell this time; hopefully my ass won't fry in an imaginary place as badly by spelling it correctly the second time round). Enjoy happy clappy time on sunday; pity Tjalie never responded I'm sure I would have had more fun than him on sunday.
Chris M 11/6/2009 12:42 PM
Hey Chris .. why on earth choose a name like Riaan Moll ...
Nic @ sepere 11/6/2009 12:38 PM
I have 3 questions for you to answer, not that I really want the answers because I have it already, but maybe it may help you out a bit in life...now breath in and breath out, spot the insecurity in you that is rising and listen... 1) You speak about Chris being judged whether he likes it or not...A) the bible (and many other religious texts) state that as a man believeth, so is he...So maybe Chris does not believe in judgment so how can it then exist in his life? Or please tear out that verse. 2) In Corinthians the famous wedding scripture talks about "love is patient, love is kind...blah blah” If you read (assuming you can) the original translations they go on to say “Love keeps no record of wrong”...Now all over the new testament we know that God is Love, so if God = Love and love keeps no record of wrong, then how can there be a judgement if God keeps no record of wrong? 3) Now to probably the most important question about why Christianity (like most other religions) are stuck in the dark ages; If Jesus is the saviour of the world, but that this is conditional to me accepting him as saviour, then the obvious conclusion can be drawn from this...I am my own saviour because it is me who chose to follow someone and make them my saviour, it is my belief in that belief that makes me believe that I am sanctified and forgiven, thus giving me the “freedom” to get on with my life. SO if it is all about Jesus, then how come I have to make the decision...surely a God would not need recognition, he would just serve his people and give them life regardless of whether they wanted it or not...do not make God in your own insecure and judgemental image. It is kind of obvious when one really allows oneself to think about it. Jesus said that the “truth shall set you free” if you are obeying a system of rules, you are not free... Now please do not write me off (as most xians like to do when they hear things like this) and say “oh he is an atheist or a non-believer...no don’t do that, because I believe in a far bigger God than you can ever imagine (with your present mentality)...that is why I say (and not to slag religion off, as it has its place) That "religion is for those who are not ready to believe™“
claren 11/6/2009 12:36 PM
A truely great man is one who leads others and those follow in his footsteps. Many years ago Ray councelled a mad drug induced kinapping bouncer. Remeber that abuser ? Well, that "trash" who gave his life to God after the councelling by Ray. (God forgives your sins, horray) has again committed serious crimes as a born again christian. So in reality, Ray is not much of a leader, if his followers cannot truelly rehabilitate. Bart simpson, you ROCK....whatever !!!
Nic @ Eugene 11/6/2009 12:11 PM
I love it when people refer to the bible and its verses as having to be read in context. Does this mean the context you understand them in or in the context of what you have been taught? E.g. The verse about Jesus being eating and drinking, Jesus was making a statement about being called these things by the people that knew him...so Jesus was considered to be like that...so Chris is 100% spot on and besides which he made you look, didn't he...
dorothy black 11/6/2009 12:11 PM
bring out the jebus, get the masses
nic 11/6/2009 12:05 PM
Excellent! Agreed Jesus, McCauley and the myriad of other preachers are no different to Derren Brown or any other speaker that uses hypnotic principles to enslave their audience. Are they schmucks for doing so? No, the blame lies solely with the unassuming sheep that choose to believe in their words. The fact of the matter is that as long as you are not secure in yourself, you will always have others telling you how it is supposed to be.
Gatis 11/6/2009 11:13 AM
Jesus stole a colt? How cool is that! Was it a .44 or a .45? Did he shoot anyone with it?
Riaan Moll @ Kiddo 11/6/2009 11:06 AM
You missed the thrust of the satire completely. Have you considered that maybe Chris doesn't believe that Hay-soos ever existed at all?
Kiddo 11/6/2009 10:43 AM
you are one sick twisted man in need of prayers. You choose to interpret the the Bible your way just to paint Jesus as a bad man.
Craig 11/6/2009 9:36 AM
@FJ Which fool were you referring to? Chris or Pastor Ray?
sepere 11/6/2009 9:29 AM
Rather call your topic Chris McIvor phobia - Dude, sometimes I actually enjoy and relate to your cynic and twisted sense of humor, but as of you last web-article, blog, whatever excuse or name you give to what you do, it just suck's... growing up in the same time, era as you did, probably even the same age, maybe even you are the dude that bullied me at school, or from the looks of it, maybe I am the one that bullied you. My point being your opinion is just that, you opinion. So if you want to slander Ray , or any other fellow , be it in government, or the news, celebrity that fell from their place of glory -go ahead, but don’t try and justify you point by quoting and twisting the bible - that just makes you "look" like an idiot. If you are and atheist, or go with some new type of spiritual following - so be it; but judgment will come to you whether you believe it or not, so be careful when trying to use or not use, the bible; but rather twist the bible to fit your stance. And then I may not be making this post for your salvation, but the hundreds of people that read your opinion; to remind them that their must make sure of what it is that they are reading. Shalom to all….
woodbine 11/6/2009 8:51 AM
That was very funny.
Counter Productive 11/6/2009 8:51 AM
Dude, quoting the bible just gives more recognition to an outdated piece of superstition. You cant discredit something and acknowledge it at he same time. Just focus on Ray, the bible is idiotic enough and will look after it's own demise.
Dr Steve Brule 11/6/2009 8:36 AM
HAHAHA, awesome. much better than your usual white guilt commie ranting. I bet Ray likes the boys, like the rest of the men of the cloth. Keep it up.
AtraBilious 11/6/2009 8:02 AM
@Olavin: And what, pray tell, has Ray McCauley achieved? And I agree: it's a shame that people without a brain in their heads, who wear blinkers and have no capacity for critical thought, get to shove their narrow-minded view on unsuspecting readers in comments that go on for 700 words without saying anything at all.
Riaan Moll @ BarbaraM 11/6/2009 7:55 AM
Well, at the end of the book, Frodo loses a finger, and Gollum falls with the ring into the fires of Mount Doom. Afterwards, they discover a whole lot of k@k had gone down in Hobbitton when they get back. I also figure the elves got a raw deal. But yeah, you could probably call it a win. Tom Bombadil is still munchkin, though, with his silly yellow boots. Oh, wait... wrong faerie tale! My bad.
Peter G 11/6/2009 7:54 AM
Pathetic, that is what your article is. One of the first rules of good journalism is, do your research. You decided to tackle something that is quite worthy to be published. There is a can of worms to be discovered and exposed, which you failed to do. Instead you just went and attacked your victim with issues that are based on hearsay only. You will always just be a columnist, pleasing those who are of the same opinion as you and displease those who are not. In other words a s...tstirrer
Riaan Moll @ Liegh 11/6/2009 7:44 AM
Dear Leigh, thank you for your highly valued input, worthy of the fridge door. Do you know what a non-sequitur is? I suggest YOU go and read your own correspondence, and take note of how YOU are the one flinging patronising gender-based comments around. They don't bother me at all, because it only shows that you're unable to deal with my allegations of your own ignorance and bias against Islam. Instead, you hand-wave the debate by trying to paint me as a male chauvinist. Utterly irrelevant, but nice try anyway, "sweetheart". Your ad hominems are soooo boring.
Olavin 11/6/2009 7:32 AM
Tony Sanderson, Ray McCauley, and Jesus have all achieved greater things than you. Actually, what have you achieved lately, besides writing lame national-inquirer-type articles? It's a shame that people who wear blinkers get to shove their narrow-minded view on unsuspecting readers.
Ginger 11/6/2009 7:22 AM
Brilliant article! Quite right, anyone who names a church after themselves is hauling around a supersized ego. Rhe-ma : Ray Ma-Cauley if said phonetically. I saw a Christmas ( should that be Raymas? ) card featuring a picture of himself and his tamed family, years ago. What a sinister looking man! It looked like something from Stepford wives. On this point, I worked for SAB from the early nineties on and they were as "verkramped" as you can please. Now indeed they cuddle cosily with the Comms and are as ANC as you wish. Just business, hey? They say that if you want to make serious tom, the three industries to do the job are alcohol, music and religion.
BarbaraM 11/6/2009 12:50 AM
Judge not and you shall not be judged. Condemn not and you shall not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven.Luke 6:37. By the way, read the end of The Book. We win in the end.
Daniel Garratt 11/6/2009 12:37 AM
@ Prosperity Gospel proponent If Jesus wanted us to all be fabulously wealthy, why wasn't he? Why weren't the Apostles? You jump from God being fabulously wealthy to "and therefore God wants us to have the best". Oh my, that's quite a leap of logic. Someone has been telling you nonsense through selective reading and misquoting. I'd encourage you to read the Bible for yourself and listen to the Holy Spirit, not to the charlatans like McCauley who simply want your money. (For example, what about Elijah, who almost starved to death - or the Israelites in slavery in Egypt - or King David, having to eat the "Bread of the Presence" in order to survive". If I quote all those, then I can create a theology of God wants us to starve to death.... but, of course, that wouldn't inspire people to throw money at me...)
4 Daniel Garrat & Chris McEnvoy 11/5/2009 11:34 PM
In answer to Daniel Garrat comment “You have the Kingdom of Heaven, so why run around trying to get rich.” 11/5/2009 11:31 AM: as you rightfully pointed out, God is not against getting rich but LOVING money like the rich man you were referring to (For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil... 1 Timothy 6:10). If riches or money were evil, God would not pride himself in saying “Silver and Gold are mine” (Haggai 2:8), The Bible wouldn’t declare “... for it is He Who gives you power to get wealth...” (Deuteronomy 8:18) nor would God promise to bless us out of our socks when we take our tithes to our local church: “Bring all the tithes (the whole tenth of your income) into the storehouse, that there may be food in My house, and prove Me now by it, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour you out a blessing, that there shall NOT BE ROOM ENOUGH (=abundance) to receive it.” (Malachi 3:10). One can bless others by living from pay check to pay check in a limited way. This lifestyle is hardly enough to cover one’s own needs. The purpose of riches is to be a blessing to others, to cater for many needs including our own: And God is able to make all grace (every favour and]earthly blessing) come to you in ABUNDANCE, so that you may always and under all circumstances and whatever the need be self-sufficient [possessing enough to require no aid or support and furnished in ABUNDANCE for every good work and charitable donation] (2 Corinthians’ 9:8). In other words, having enough for oneself is simply selfish. God doesn’t expect us either to live with the strict minimum or get the cheapest things off the shelves but to be blessed and get the best. Like Ray McCauley, Jesus himself was criticised for being given the best, most expansive items although poverty was still a reality of his day: “A woman came up to Him with an alabaster flask of VERY PRECIOUS perfume, and she poured it on His head as He reclined at table. And when the disciples saw it, they were indignant (like Chris McEvoy and others), saying, For what purpose is all this waste? For this perfume might have been sold for a LARGE SUM and the money given to the poor. But Jesus, fully aware of this, said to them, Why do you bother the woman? She has done a noble (praiseworthy and beautiful) thing to Me. For you always have the poor among you, but you will not always have Me. (Matthew 26:7-11). Not only wealth is Ok for believers but it is also due to them: But every woman shall [insistently] solicit of her neighbour and of her that may be residing at her house JEWELS and articles of SILVER and GOLD, and garments, which you shall put on your sons and daughters; and you shall strip the Egyptians [of belongings due to you]. When Solomon asked for wisdom, he was granted his wish but over and above he was blessed by God with great wealth to a point that "...the king made silver and gold in Jerusalem as common as stones, and he made cedar as plentiful as the sycamores of the lowland. (2 chronicles 1:15). This goes to show that although we are not to obsessively pursue wealth, having it is no shame. It actually glorifies God when we have it and use it properly. Who wants to serve a broke or poverty minded God?
Chris Fan 11/5/2009 9:26 PM
Chris, you are a hoot! Loved this column. I will definitely be reading your work again.
Leigh 11/5/2009 9:00 PM
Att Riaan Moll: and your patronizing attitude toward women is not appreciated
Leigh 11/5/2009 8:58 PM
Att Riaan Moll: so you use the bible when you want to make a point ... and by the way read my correspondence ... at no point did i ever mention that i was a believer ... get a life dude ....
Daniel Garratt 11/5/2009 4:53 PM
@ chris mcevoy. I was responding to your comment about "misinterpreted or decontextualised" passages. Did you read Part 1 & 2 (sorry, forgot to label the mark passage explanation part 3). Oh, and as the Associate Prof says, he's in the minority on his interpretation - interesting, but incorrect since the thrust of Mark's gospel at that point is the audacity of Jesus in overthrowing the religious conventions of the day. Jesus was not a goody-two-shoes I'm-better-than-you holier-than-thou religious dude. No, those were the guys who killed him (and judging by the comments there seem to be quite a few "Christians" here who would end up doing the same to Jesus) By the way, did you see my earlier comments where I commended you for this article? Keep on writing!
leper messiah! 11/5/2009 4:20 PM
hey Whatever! hat was leper messiah from metallica! RAD DUDE!!!
Bob Be Nimble 11/5/2009 4:10 PM
Oh wow, look at all the comments from the Christian sheeples in this column. Christians can lie about evolution, christians can choose what they want to believe, and Christians can maim the world.. but let anyone write something slightly that they dont approve of... they get sanctimonious and let their bigotry fly in the name of their God. The world has suffered enough from the tyranny of the simple minded religious people. Let education and rationality become the order of the day. You cant choose truth, it simply is... no matter what you believe.
Ray is church is ANC is bad ! 11/5/2009 2:55 PM
Hey Tjalie, lunchtime has come and gone and I'm still waiting for your explanation to my post at 11/5/2009 6:50 AM. I guess you've chickened out like the imbecile that you are. Would any other member of the Jesus army like to object to my post at 11/4/2009 3:56 PM cos neither Tjalie nor your Jesus want to take me on. Jesus? Hello? Nope, he isn't answering
YTAH 11/5/2009 2:52 PM
To the religious moron who reckons that "Ray deserves every riches and may he be blessed with even MORE". Hmmm. Yeah, well, I'd be tempted to say that superstitious morons who suffer from an overabundance of gullibility deserve to get fleeced of everything they own. But then I remember that these same morons probably have children (won't anybody think of the children!), which suggests the social and economic cost of people giving their money to a self-proclaimed messiah instead of taking care of their responsibilities.
Whatever 11/5/2009 2:44 PM
I wish I were a long oily haired lad with a stupid smile and time on my hands to write rubbish and actually get it published. Tell me, do they actually pay you for this drivel? Or is the fact that you can use media24 as your voice piece to spout whatever thoughts come to mind after a few joints your actual motivation here?
Full of pity 11/5/2009 2:32 PM
I pray that God has mercy on u and forgive u for u know not what you are doing!!!!!
Cerberus @ Riaan Moll 11/5/2009 1:36 PM
Dude, I love your rhetoric. Isn't it amazing that as soon as you want to engage a religious individual, Muslim, Christian, Seik or Pagan doesn't really matter, in a debate they get all riled up at the audacity you have for calling their religion into question. Bunch of pathetic losers - yes all the believers, worshipers and faith sufferers from all the different religions.
BornAgain 11/5/2009 1:02 PM
Shame, Chris McEvoy, whoever you are - at least everyone knows who Ray is, guess he makes a bigger difference than you? Ray deserves every riches and may he be blessed with even MORE. Chris, maybe when you wake up someday, you might also do something more worthwhile with your life!
Roya 11/5/2009 12:38 PM
We all seem to forget one thing, Ray MacCauley is a man first and then a pastor. Take time out and check if the man you perceive he is, is really the man he is. Talk to him and spend time with him. Misquoting the Bible is a pastime for those who are too lazy to read it under the unction of the Holy Spirit - who reveals all things and teaches us all things.
Chris McEvoy 11/5/2009 12:34 PM
@Daniel Garratt - I addressed that question in the comments (see below) and that particular passage in the column itself. But for a deeper analysis on the subject, go this blog, written by a prof of religion, specialising in the New Testament: http://ntweblog.blogspot.com/2006/03/did-jesus-have-house-in-capernaum.html
post comment 11/5/2009 12:27 PM
The comments keep disappearing and reappearing?
Capital Q 11/5/2009 11:52 AM
Chris, what is the point of just lambasting McCauley? I'm positive that if you ask anybody they could write an equally negative article about your looks, dress sense, lack of social understanding, grocery budget / eating habits and rotten attitude to seemingly everything and everybody. Quoting scripture is not your strong point - and I suggest you actually LEARN some before trying to take it out of context. I am in no way a christian, but also don't fool myself in front of a wide audience. How about giving us something worthwhile to read next time?
Daniel Garratt 11/5/2009 11:35 AM
Mark 2:14-15. Your initial reading of “his house” referring to Jesus is incorrect. “His house” means Levi’s house, and it wasn’t a rude invitation, it was an amazing invitation. Levi was a tax-collector, and he was hated by his fellow Jews because he worked for the Romans (kinda like the black secret police during Apartheid). This also meant that he was religiously “unclean” and therefore cut off from the Temple - literally cut off from the presence of God. So when Jesus, a “rabbit” (religious teacher), not only speaks to Levi, but actually wants to have a meal with him in his house – WOW! This is kinda like when Nelson Mandela went to see Verwoed’s widow. Jesus breaks through some every hefty social barriers, and shows that he has come for those who are not “righteous” – not for the religious elite – but for the everyman, for the “sinner”, for those who unrighteous. The message of Christianity is not “be good, and maybe God will accept you” (that’s Islam), but “you are not good, but Jesus is good. Put your trust in Him, and because He has paid the penalty for you, you are FREE!”. It’s basically a swap: Jesus takes our place, and our punishment (on the Cross) – we get his place, and his reward (eternal life). So, if any Christian looks down on you as a non-believer, and is all superior – then smack them around the head and tell them to read their Bible. Christians are not superior people chosen by God because they are so superior. Christians are forgiven sinners. End of story. I’ll post more tomorrow when I have time!
Daniel Garratt 11/5/2009 11:32 AM
PART 2 Luke 16:1-9. Jesus tells the story of the dishonest manager and then immediately afterwards tells us what he means v10-13. --- He says, look, non-believers are shrewd with money within their context – you as believers should be just as shrewd! --- Believers are called to be “faithful in unrighteous (i.e. worldly) wealth” so they can be trusted with “true riches (spiritual wealth)”. --- It’s hyperbole. Jesus says “Look at these guys. They know how to handle wealth according to what they believe – but you! You haven’t a clue. You try to serve both God and money, which you cannot do.” --- It’s an exhortation again to have God as first place, not the accumulation of wealth --- (As an aside, this does not mean it is sinful for Christians to get rich, be rich, or pursue wealth – but it IS sinful to be stingy with that wealth, or to place that wealth above God. Wealth is a gift given by God for use in his kingdom)
Daniel Garratt 11/5/2009 11:31 AM
PART 1 If you’re serious, Chris, here we go. Luke 12:33 – sell your possessions and give to the needy. Given in the context of the story of the rich man who loved his wealth, but had no time for God. God says to him “'Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?' 21So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God.” And about trusting God for your needs (not wants). To paraphrase: “You have the Kingdom of Heaven, so why run around trying to get rich.” Generosity and holding loosely to the things of this world should be the mark of a Christian. “Pastor” Ray needs to study this part of the Bible.
Riaan Moll @ John 11/5/2009 10:30 AM
A life saving gospel? Suuuuure. Ava Worthington, Madeline Neumann and Neil Beagly are definitely enjoying the fruits of it, aren't they?
Ray is ANC @ john 11/5/2009 9:49 AM 11/5/2009 10:15 AM
You mention: "Christian folk have correctly discerned regarding R McCauley" and "life saving reality". God damn... You're brainwashed! You wouldn't happen to have a daughter as well?...
The Horned God 11/5/2009 10:03 AM
Chris, that's one of the roughest columns you've ever written (I didn't think I could be shocked anymore) - it's also the funniest one you've ever written (I didn't think I could laugh harder at one of your pieces)!! Absolutely terrific, man, tough subject, tight writing and brilliant use of the complex English language. I await your next one with bated breath!! @ Disappointed: you state: "as most christians would know, you read the whole chapter to understand the meaning of the verse" - I presume this excludes the bit where you folk always take the two mentions of homosexuality being an abomination out of context, without mentioning all the other bits about killing people who break the sabbath and selling your children into slavery....
Chris McEvoy 11/5/2009 10:02 AM
@Disappointed, et al: I welcome any rational argument as to how exactly I've misinterpreted or decontextualised the biblical passages referenced. You can also email me at chris_mcevoy@24.com
john 11/5/2009 9:49 AM
Repugnant and to say the least blasphemous!But I guess thats unfortunately how some would utilise freedom of speech. While many in this country including Christian folk have correctly discerned regarding R McCauley,it is not justified to misquote and distorte the gospel that is life saving reality to so many .Anyway the writer of the column was desperately seeking a reaction.And thats exactly what he got.Shame...
Bigmart 11/5/2009 9:48 AM
Well done Chris!! The whole Hyperrhema approach to God is horrid brainwashing and a money making scam. I cannot understand all the noise around it. God is merely an imaginary adult friend, and, yes, go ahead lots of you and tell me that "Jesus loves me but he can't stand you"
Dracolusus 11/5/2009 9:26 AM
Where did all the comments go? They were classic (most ignorant, blind zealots commenting) and funny...oh well...Love the article, tis great. LMAO
Disappointed 11/5/2009 8:26 AM
ok so i dont like Ray McCauly myself but bottom line is who are you to judge him? that is not up to you! but obviously you dont believe in God or even a "God". you are twisting scripture to make it work for you and that is not on! just because you are trying to proove something doesnt mean you can just twist the scripture adn as most christians would know, you read the whole chapter to understand the meaning of the verse. news24 i am disgusted that you would allow this colum to be published! honestly, would you have allowed someone to make an attack on the muslim religion cause basically the attach is actually on God and the christian beliefs and actually not on Ray McCauly.
Baas Koos 11/5/2009 8:12 AM
@ CtheB..... how about some constructive comments... or is that all you can come up with.... rather go and finish your Matric ... hopefully you will then have something constructive to add.... Chris is not a pastor or preacher of sort… but for him to use the bible in his articles…. I mean really….. like I said earlier… he talks more crap that Ray!
Jack 11/5/2009 7:47 AM
To quote a Black Sabbath song "Holy father, holy ghost, who's the one who pays the most". And to all the people complaining that Chris took on one of the most ridiculous institutions ever (i.e. religion), most of us had to endure your bible bashing for years! And you didn't complain then, right?
Riaan Moll @ Retha Grobbelaar 11/5/2009 7:39 AM
Retha, God doesn't exist, and this "Son of God" nonsense is a figment of your vivid imagination, an image you were brainwashed with since childhood. Nobody's mocking Jesus, because Jesus doesn't exist (unless you count Hay-soos, Sarah Palin's Mexican gardener). In other words, the joke's on YOU!
Riaan Moll 11/5/2009 7:29 AM
Hoezit Chops! I believe the correct term for your denial of the little gauntlet I threw down is "fighting retreat". Good Job. @Leigh, I believe the buy-bull sez something about a beam in your eye? Have a nice day now!
Ray is ANC 11/5/2009 7:21 AM
Frustrating when comments take 30 mins to go through
Ray is ANC @ tjalie 11/5/2009 7:19 AM
Well please enlighten me as to the point that you proved with my comments?... As far as I’m concerned, you’re a hypocrite. You – who goes to church on a Sunday so you can be “seen” attending church in your Sunday best so that everyone thinks that “oh Tjalie there is a good person”, yet you’ve no objections to someone BS-ing others and using the money for their own gain. It’s obvious that YOU’VE missed the point (your ridiculous statement: “it’s biblical to be wealthy”); Ray isn’t being rewarded you fool – it’s called embezzlement! Oh and if your point in your first comment revolved around “Ray and other leaders are working Closely with Goverment (Yes, the ANC) to help the under privileged in ways never before tried”, then you are seriously disillusioned. Do you really think that by expanding the church to underprivileged areas, these people will be helped? Face REALITY you imbecile: people would rather have JOBS, HOUSES and FOOD, that something imaginary – which they have to pray to and at the same time PAY! As for the “new ways never before tried”, well please elaborate; maybe I could try them as well with your daughter seen as I (and most others) learnt “nilk” from you
Ray is ANC @ tjalie 11/5/2009 6:50 AM
Well please enlighten me as to the point that you proved with my comments?... As far as I’m concerned, you’re a hypocrite. You – who goes to church on a Sunday so you can be “seen” attending church in your Sunday best so that everyone thinks that “oh Tjalie there is a good person”, yet you’ve no objections to someone BS-ing others and using the money for their own gain. It’s obvious that YOU’VE missed the point (your ridiculous statement: “it’s biblical to be wealthy”); Ray isn’t being rewarded you fool – it’s called embezzlement! Oh and if your point in your first comment revolved around “Ray and other leaders are working Closely with Goverment (Yes, the ANC) to help the under priviledged in ways never before tried”, then you are seriously retarded. Do you really think that by expanding the church to underprivileged areas, these people will be helped? Face REALITY you imbecile: people would rather have JOBS, HOUSES and FOOD, that something imaginary – which they have to pray to and at the same time PAY! As for the “new ways never before tried”, well that probably can’t involve sexual encounters between pastors and little boys as that’s been happening for centuries. So explain the “ways never before tried”, maybe I could try them with your daughter on Sunday whilst “nilking” her, har har har
Noc 11/5/2009 6:50 AM
Couldn't have said it better Chris, and thanks for the great laugh. Can't wait for all the comments to come from all the religious nuts that'll lose the plot after reading the word "Jesus" - I need some popcorn.
Johan 11/5/2009 5:34 AM
Watching Ray is like watching WWE wrestling - I allways wonder ......... who believes this sh&*#I#%T
Mark Stanley 11/5/2009 5:21 AM
It's one thing to jab at Ray, Chris. Say what you like him. I figure it's all water off a duck's back. Especially when we realise it comes from a miserable looking sod who clearly needs a bath and can't get a real job. You may just want to a be a little careful about poking fun at Jesus though. After all, the same bible you mock also suggests that a day WILL come when every knee will bow to Jesus. That's in Philippians 2:10, seeing as you are into references. So even you, with your greasy hair and startled guppy eyes, will bow your knee one day. And feel kinda akward, I am sure, when you behold the King of Kings face to face.
Retha Grobbelaar 11/5/2009 1:48 AM
When you talk about Jesus - see if you can muster some respect. Most mature people are sick and tired of shallow people - like yourself - who think they can ridicule and mock the Son of God. Stop this nonsense.
Hugo 11/5/2009 1:47 AM
Thanks Chris!! Great stuff!!
Wayne 11/4/2009 10:24 PM
Do you want to see a really big insult? Watch Christmas this year. Can you imagine anything more offensive to the Almighty than Christmas? But it's our favourite cash-cow with pagan origins and excuse for a revelry you'll ever find in our society.
Jan 11/4/2009 10:08 PM
Chris, I do not think you are all that intellectually challenged. You just lack wisdom. You definitely like you own voice or rather writing. Please do try and find out what wisdom is!!!!
shame 11/4/2009 10:02 PM
You're such an IDIOT, but an idiot does'nt know he is an idiot so I SUPPOSE you would'nt even notice your're an idiot called Chris
Nesomaniac 11/4/2009 9:33 PM
BRAVO!
Ian 11/4/2009 9:11 PM
But you know how some people just get your hackles up for no real reason? And then years later, that person does something that makes you justify why you disliked them in the first place? Well, that's how I feel about McEvoy.
Tjalie 11/4/2009 8:24 PM
@Ray is ANC : You just missed the point, totally. And I also proved another point by your comments. Godspeed.
That man is scum 11/4/2009 8:05 PM
hahahaha, nilk!! I love the 2nd definition! Maybe Ray 'nilked' the botox lady while he was still married. Can't believe that people listen to him and don't realise what an imposter he is. Sadly many black people are totally brainwashed by him and they are the ones that really can't afford to give him money for his lavish lifestyle! People seem to think they are giving to God, hey wake up people!!!
that man is scum 11/4/2009 8:03 PM
hahahaha, nilk!! I love the 2nd definition! Maybe Ray 'nilked' the botox lady while he was still married. Can't believe that people listen to him and don't realise what an imposter he is. Sadly many black people are totally brainwashed by him and they are the ones that really can't afford to give him money for his lavish lifestyle! People seem to think they are giving to God, hey wake up people!!!
that man is scum 11/4/2009 8:03 PM
hahahaha, nilk!! I love the 2nd definition! Maybe Ray 'nilked' the botox lady while he was still married. Can't believe that people listen to him and don't realise what an imposter he is. Sadly many black people are totally brainwashed by him and they are the ones that really can't afford to give him money for his lavish lifestyle! People seem to think they are giving to God, hey wake up people!!!
Ray is ANC @ tjalie 11/4/2009 7:51 PM
Q1: answer = NO. So I take it you're implying that Ray rewarded his child for doing "something good" by buying him a >R1 million vehicle? (See? - still ANC logic!). If I were a parent, how about a second-hand citi golf instead of abusing other people's money! I don't go to church (which supposedly makes me a "bad" person) but it seems like you (who obviously supports the church) condone Ray's act: you hypocrite! Q2: answer = No, although searched for it in google and found 2 definitions (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nilk). Ah, one definition obviously sticks out. Interesting that you ask that - perhaps your daughter would be willing to teach me while you're in church, praying with your buddy Ray?
Sam-Yang Guy 11/4/2009 7:00 PM
Best. Article. Ever.
Grease that piggy 11/4/2009 6:55 PM
"...corpulent dew-flaps sweat pure butter..". Liewe bliksem kerel !! jy kan lekker Engels praat. Ghries daai varkie, ghries hom !!. Maak hom n slag seer, dat hy vel hoe dit voel om aan die ontvangkant van n vlymskerp tong te wees. Man, ek wens jou geluk Chris. Beste gebruik van die Engelse taal in n laaaaaang tyd !! Mens raak so gatvol vir die wan-toepassing van die byvoeglike naamwoord deur sommige van jou kollegas, dat hierdie prosa sommer mens se tone laat krul van die lekkerkry. Mooi so !
tjalie 11/4/2009 6:52 PM
@Ray is ANC : in response, Answer these questions :Q1- If you are a parent, and you tell your child to do something for you, instead of the child doing what the child would like to do, and the child does it with joy en pride, wouldnt you as parent reward your child? or if your child did somehting good? or have a good report card at the end of the year? Q2- Do you know what N.I.L.K is? if you answered No to Q1 or Yes to Q2, then I cannot help you. if you responded YES (Q1) and No (Q2) to the above,then response to Q1 : PS Ray is just being rewarded by the Lord(It is actually Biblical to be wealthy, what you shouldnt do is idolise the wealth). The Lord called him to start a church instead of continueing with his body building career (And what ever else he wanted to do at that stage). Q2 : PS Ray and other leaders are working Closely with Goverment (Yes, the ANC) to help the under priviledged in ways never before tried. So theres lots of work going on behind the scenes. hope that clears up some things. By the way.. what has this got to do with us? Just as the Lord will Judge ALL, so will he judge PS Ray (Regardless if hes right or wrong). For myself, Im stopping now, and going to ensure that I dont have too many questions to answer to one day. God Bless (Everyone)
Sas 11/4/2009 6:42 PM
Chris, I more than chuckled at your article! It made my day, more than Agliotti calling Selebi "China"... You definitely have my support pal. Should this fake "reverend" in the mould of Jimmy Swaggart decide to sue you call on me for some financial help okay? Frank Zappa once wrote a song about Swaggart. It could just as well have been about dear old Raymond. But then again I really pity the poor foolish idiots who dig deep into their pockets to make Mrs Barbie McCauley look like a brand new seven rand note every day.... Hehehe
Tjalie 11/4/2009 6:38 PM
@Ray is ANC : in response, Answer these questions :Q1- If you are a parent, and you tell your child to do something for you instead of the child doing what the child would like to do, and the child does it with joy en pride, wouldnt you as parent reward your child? or if your child did somehting good? or have a good report card at the end of the year? 2nd Question : Do you know what N.I.L.K is? if you answered No to Q1 or Yes to Q2, then I cannot help you. if you responded YES (Q1) and No (Q2) to the above,then response to Q1 : PS Ray is just being rewarded by the Lord. The Lord called him to start a church instead of continueing with his body building career (And what ever else he wanted to do at that stage). Q2 : PS Ray and other leaders are working Closely with Goverment (Yes, the ANC) to ensure that the under priviledged get was is promised to them (that corruption doesnt cause them to remain disadvantaged). So theres lots of work going on behind the scenes. hope that clearsup some things. And by the way? What does all this have to do with us? Well, just as PS Ray will have to answer to the Lord one day (Regardless if he was right or wrong), so does Every person thats ever lived, and are going to live. Personally for me, Im going to Stop typing right now, concentrate on myself, and ensure I dont have lots of questions to answer to, when its my time! God Bless (Everyone)
That man is scum 11/4/2009 6:33 PM
In a tyre shop about 35 years ago, McCauley was asked "Hey Ray, when are you going to kick this religious thing?" to which he replies "I haven't made enough money yet!" and what about the caravan and the girl friend? and what about threatening the ex wife to keep her mouth shut! all these sad people who believe in him. But he will have to answer for his sins one day and if he gets any fatter, it'll be sooner than he thinks!
That man is scum 11/4/2009 6:31 PM
In a tyre shop about 35 years ago, McCauley was asked "Hey Ray, when are you going to kick this religious thing?" to which he replies "I haven't made enough money yet!" and what about the caravan and the girl friend? and what about threatening the ex wife to keep her mouth shut! all these sad people who believe in him. But he will have to answer for his sins one day and if he gets any fatter, it'll be sooner than he thinks!
Hippo 11/4/2009 5:58 PM
Hi to all bible punchers and so-called Christians. Why do you defend McCauley? He is no Christian, he is a cult leader and uses Christianity for his business. If you can't smell a rat from a mile away, then at least smell the roses. Halleluja.
CTheB 11/4/2009 5:41 PM
@Eugene: Are you saying that only religious people are allowed to quote out of context? Or only Christians?
CTheB 11/4/2009 5:40 PM
@Baas Koos: one needs a qualification to quote verses from the Bible? Are you qualified to comment on this article?
Puppetbitch 11/4/2009 5:38 PM
"Jesus loves me, this I know, I've got an invoice that tells me so." Joking at Ray's (and Christianity's) expense is a civic duty, especially in Africa. Christianity and capitalism were pivotal aspects of the colonial process in SA. The indoctrination of a 'Christian' way of life and the need for capitalist goods are essentially connected. That is why I love it when opinions such as Chris's above are aired openly and loudly. It counters a balance of power which strongly favors the Christian majority. ps, it is also why the idea of treating Islam with the same brush is to ignore 500 or more years of colonial indoctrination in the name of a (pale) Jesus. We don't need Chris to attack Islam, we have the whole US military budget doing that for us. Pps, Chris, your writing is intelligent, provocative and hysterically funny. Brilliant! Ppps, I wish you'd start doing stand up again.
Ray is ANC 11/4/2009 5:29 PM
Would any of you christian buffoons like to challenge my comment at 11/4/2009 3:56 PM - "...gullible masses (ANC supporters/christians) are too busy fighting over the insult at their organization (ANC/christianity) whilst the leaders (ministers/Ray) are busy filling their own pockets!".
Redro 11/4/2009 5:23 PM
I think I just peed in my pants a little, like three drops. Awesome insight, I feel like I finally understand how a Trekkie fanboy feels when they get to meet the Shatner! Hahahaha
Ray is ANC @ chops 11/4/2009 5:21 PM
Debating requires "rational, methodic thinking"... Right... Is that why you "believe" and talk to something imaginary? Excellent example of "christian rationality" and the extent of "christian thinking". @ss!
Penny 11/4/2009 5:13 PM
Wow. I really, really dislike the guy, but this column is so hectic, I almost find myself feeling sorry for him. I know I shouldn't. Na - the feeling's over.
Tjalie 11/4/2009 5:11 PM
Yes Chris, He is on a roll. On a Roll to save people that slander other people. You have NO idea what you are taking about. PS Ray will Roll forward (regardless is hes the target of the slander), and one of his sheep will (or have already) tell those people that slander other people, about the Lord. Then its up to those people spoken to, to decide where they want to spend eternity, and thats a decision every person in this world makes. I pray that yours is the right one.
Basjan 11/4/2009 5:06 PM
At first I was upset with your evident hate and judgment, which was surely part of you "rile-them-up" plan... but this turned to sadness after I got to your blasphemous rant. Forget McCauley, you are toying with things you don't understand, brother. I weep for you.
Dutchman 11/4/2009 5:04 PM
I thought i was the only one who saw through Ray (not Ackerman) McCauley!!
Pike 11/4/2009 4:58 PM
Well written, and I can't agree with you more - that so many people are taken in by this man speaks volumes about our society ...
chops @ riaan moll 11/4/2009 4:56 PM
More smug arrogance. You WILL wipe the floor with me in a debate? So you know this for a fact. Your ramblings here have already shown that you're an unfit candidate for any form of debate. Debate requires rational, methodic thinking and shouldn't be influenced by emotion. I'm afraid you fail to meet those requirements. Also I'm pretty sure I'll have more fun debating a brick - although intellectually it would require the same effort. So no thanks.
Shelly 11/4/2009 4:52 PM
AMEN!!!!!
enki 11/4/2009 4:51 PM
Chris, you are giving Atheists a bad name, myself included. This is a disgusting article, meant purely to provoke. You must really be empty inside, would hate to know you personally. In fact, some one should put you out of your misery, because clearly it has gotten the better of you.
Daniel Garratt 11/4/2009 4:49 PM
By the way, can anyone actually tell me WHERE in the Bible the quote "whoever discredits God's anointed will be cursed"? It's often used by these charlatans to scare people into silence, but I can't find it anywhere in the Bible... Did they just make it up, or rip it out of context (i.e. is it talking about Jesus, or ordinary Christians (both called anointed one(s)))
Mike 11/4/2009 4:44 PM
That was wonderful - Tell it like it is !! Encore !! Encore !!
Unbelievable 11/4/2009 4:43 PM
Do you call this type of trashy article journalism? Why don't you earn your salary and write about Bernie Madoff ponzy scheme, Middle-East pedophile marriages or catholic church efforts to keep people poor? Man, you are really wasted!
Leigh 11/4/2009 4:34 PM
Att Riaan: ahh so you are presuming I am a woman and use a very patronising tone - not very nice. That is pretty ignorant in my book ... Many males are spelt Leigh by the way ...
Zinjiva 11/4/2009 4:26 PM
Maybe you should give Pastor Ray a right of reply. You make so make so many allegations that you are unable to substatiate and even quote various scriptures out of context. as for the Harley that you talk about, the last time I checked is that it was given to him as a gift. By the way, I have never heard him coerce people into giving. All is done voluntarily. Maybe the people that give into that ministry are the ones who should be complaining. If you are not giving there there then keep quiet. If you are giving and you do not like what is happening then stop giving and give your money to the SPCA or some worthy organisation that tickles your fancy.
Daniel Garratt 11/4/2009 4:24 PM
It's easy to see a fraud - do they point the spotlight at Jesus - or at themselves? Jesus is our King. Jesus is our Saviour. Jesus is worth talking about. Ray McCauley, Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, etc. are not. Keep up the good work, Chris. (Oh, and for all those getting their knickers in a know about him "misquoting" Scripture - so what! Stop judging a non-Christian as if he were a Christian! Let him read - he may find the Spirit convicts him.... :-) )
Daniel Garratt 11/4/2009 4:24 PM
GREAT article. Very funny. And I am a 100% God botherer or Jesus lover or whatever you want to call someone who loves Jesus because of his gift of forgiveness. @topdog don't be so gullible! The Bible clearly points out that there will be wolves among the sheep / demons masquerading as angles of the light. It's quite clear that Ray is all about Ray, not all about Jesus. Chris has hit the nail right on the head - like many TV "Christians" Ray is in business.
YTAH 11/4/2009 4:21 PM
@Liam: Oooo, we're so scared. The imaginary person who lives in your head is going to strike us all down because we think it's ridiculous that some jackass of dubious morals to tell everyone how to live. Also, here's a little bible verse you may want to check out: Matthew 5:32. “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her." Guess who's been divorced and remarried? What's that we're supposed to do to adulterers again?
Ron 11/4/2009 4:20 PM
Just realised we will need an IQ check to leave messages one of these days! Morons abound - no wonder Malema and Eugene have followers! In any case, don't be so hard on uncle Ray, he is working to become a believable politicianand keeping his lifestyle, like oupa Zuma. Brillaint piece.
Riaan Moll 11/4/2009 4:15 PM
Leigh, by "daring" Chris to write something similarly disrepectful about Islam, you characterised Islam as a violent, retributive religion. That's ignorance, plain and simple. Not recognising that that's what you did, is stupidity. Take your pick, sweetheart.
Leigh 11/4/2009 4:15 PM
Att Riaan Moll: you are full of anger and confusion dude .... maybe go and relieve yourself of that hard-on ....
Banana 11/4/2009 4:14 PM
Christians are sheep, think for yourselves, and move away from the flock before you are led over the cliff by shepherds like Pastor Ray...God never said follow Ray, he said follow me, live by my example...its a very different example to the one that people like Ray Mc SET...
TJ 11/4/2009 4:14 PM
What made me dislike him was when he and his wife, Lindy, were splitting up. He said that he and his church elders had a meeting and came up with a plan to save his marriage and Lindy wasn't interested in following it. It was bizaar that he thought it was wrong of her, not that it was wrong of him to set out a plan without her input. Very self-centered, in it for what he can get man.
Ray McCauly IS ANC 11/4/2009 4:11 PM
Oh I forgot something: didn't Ray say we should all forgive the corrupt Zuma and all that hogwash? Now is it clear just how corrupt (I mean he's friends with Zooooma) Ray is? Still reeling from the shock realization that your church is no better than the ANC you bunch of backwards pathetic sacks!
Leigh 11/4/2009 4:08 PM
Att: Riaan Moll: the right to call someone ignorant because of one statement ..... mmmmm .....
James 11/4/2009 4:07 PM
I wonder how many of the above sycophants know all about the McC murky past? If they do not, it is not for me to inform them, however, having been no angel, it is ironic that he has had the gall to parade as the ever holier than thou religeous leader for all these lucrative years
Riaan Moll 11/4/2009 4:04 PM
Nope, not full of myself - just very experienced in demolishing religidiots in formal debates. That's not really saying much, though. :( 2 kids, still in school. WTF is your point? Or are you going to throw another appeal to emotion or force or whatever other stupid half-baked argument you've plagiarized somewhere? Well, out with it!
Hakuna Matata @ Riaan Moll 11/4/2009 4:00 PM
Quite full of yourself, hey? If there ever was a waste of time it is to debate religion with someone who thinks, as a non-believer he/she has all the answers - and no, as a Christian I definitely do not have all the answers, that's why it's called faith. A question to all the so-called non-believers who posted below - how many of you have children?
WACKY 11/4/2009 3:58 PM
Ok, so you dont like the guy. Is it really necessary to carry on like a bunch of savages trying to devour the man. I dont like him since the 1980's, him or his moneymania but I dont hate him.
Riaan 11/4/2009 3:56 PM
Wacky, just like you're entitled to your centrist view, so is everybody else to their non-centrist view. What's so hard to grasp? The guy is a fraud, and is enriching himself at the expense of others, while promoting bigotry, intolerance and ignorance.
Ray McCauley is bad! 11/4/2009 3:56 PM
Just look at all these Christians getting upset over Chris slating christianity. Unbelievable that they fail to realise that Chris is actually targeting one of Gods most admirable messengers: Ray McCauley. Yes, the thieving and lying snake who suckers people out of their money and uses it to purchase himself a colossal mansion worth around R8 million. Pretty sure I recall something along the lines of Ray buying a Ferrari for his son - which he later wrote off in an accident?! What a moral and noble person Ray is; but I suppose his followers can't see this cos they're too worked up over the insult at christianity. Sounds like ANC mentality - you know, that part where the gullible masses (ANC supporters/christians) are too busy fighting over the insult at their organization (ANC/christianity) whilst the leaders (ministers/Ray) are busy filling their own pockets! Suck on that!
Chris McEvoy @ Christian 11/4/2009 3:55 PM
@Christian Firstly, I'm not changing my story. Can't you tell when you're being patronised? I still think the Bible says Jesus *had* a home. With expensive food (meat) in it. Nothing more. And I'm not "asserting" anything - just citing what the bible says.
Liam 11/4/2009 3:54 PM
You're on thin ice, Chris, but this is the idea I presume. As a Christian there's MANY pastors/TV pastors I don't like for the get-rich and name-and-claim recipe... I cannot find this in the Bible. BUT, be warned: God very clearly states that WHOSOEVER discredit one of HIS annointed ones [not perfect, not without sin], GOD will curse this person. And you will experience it in ways you don't like.... It's not for you or me to dislike. They reach some people for Christ. It's up to mature Christians to notice the cheap talk. The principle of Christianity is to teach the world Jesus died in our place as sinners as God did not find anyone good enough besides His Son. God will see to the many 'pastors' that's in it for the money. And yes, try your critical approach with Islam and the Koran - you're asking for absent leave, maybe forever... but I forgive you.
WACKY 11/4/2009 3:50 PM
Ok, so you dont like the guy. Is it really necessary to carry on like a bunch of savages trying to devour the man. I dont like him since the 1980's, him or his moneymania but I dont hate him.
YTAH 11/4/2009 3:47 PM
Some people around here (Fundies, I'm looking at YOU) need to check their satire detector. The bible quotes are ironic, dubmasses [sic.]. As for there being "no real argument against religion" ... yeah, you're right. When you've ruled out logic, decency, basic literacy, intellectual capacity, analysis, evaluation, and comprehension, there really are no arguments, are there.
Christian @ Chris McEvoy 11/4/2009 3:45 PM
You're changing your own argument. You went from "He owned a house" to "isn't there even a slight possibility" - bad journalism all round. Are you writing based on facts or your own vague misinterpretations? Going to a house or going home doesn't imply you own that property. Not that I think it matters anyway. Your assertion that Jesus was a drunkard and a thief who lived an extravagent life is far worse. You really get some perverted kind of kick out of this don't you? Hey buddy, it's your life, not mine. But I'd put my creative brain to better use if I were you.
Riaan 11/4/2009 3:45 PM
Harrr... yeah, Moses on his Triumph, and EdZulu on his bicycle, backpedalling furiously.
mullpitta 11/4/2009 3:42 PM
Moses was the first person in the bible to ride a motorcycle. "And Moses roared forth on his triumph". \^^/
EdZulu 11/4/2009 3:40 PM
@Riaan Moll - my appeal is for good balanced writing, not an apeal to force...Chris is the writer, the man that buys his ink by the barrel, however, dishes up this mediocre piece of writing...perhaps its the medium that makes him produce such low standard of writing or perhaps it is his knowledge that people will read any garbage regardless...therefore, congratulations on your supreme knowledge Riaan...however, I once again direct my request to Chris, c'mon Chris we need better than the Christian baiting, be brave man, raise the poor level of writing news24.com dishes out and give us something real, something that took longer than 20 minutes to string together and something that will shock your readers for its quality!!!
Riaan Moll 11/4/2009 3:37 PM
Richard Dawkins does have his critics, amongst his peers. What's your point? Disagreement and peer review are the cornerstone of Dawkins' line of work. You may have heard of it. It's called 'science'.
Riaan Moll 11/4/2009 3:35 PM
Richard Dawkins does have his critics, amongst his peers. What's your point? Disagreement and peer review are the cornerstone of Dawkins' line of work. You may have heard of it. It's called 'science'.
george 11/4/2009 3:29 PM
@Riaan Moll: Richard Dawkins biggest distractors are his (unbelieving) compatriots and colleagues, not the religious 'opposition'. @Chris: your 'cross-references' are often different contexts. So effecively you relate 'chair texts' (I think that is what they call them) with a parable. As far as I know, interpretive process does not allow you to infer meaning of the one with the other.
Baas Koos 11/4/2009 3:29 PM
@ Sheila.... "wyk Satan"!
Baas Koos 11/4/2009 3:26 PM
@ George... Thans for that... I am getting so sick and tired of this papparatzi's!!
sheila 11/4/2009 3:26 PM
Christians - don't get your knickers in a knot. Remember that Satan also quoted scripture to Jesus to get a reaction.
Mandy 11/4/2009 3:24 PM
Oh wow Chris, ne'er a truer word spoken. I have always felt the same way about him. He looks like a letcherous, evil, kniving old man, and also gives me the creeps. He jumped on the religious bandwagon instead of the government one, and has milked it over and over again. Grrrrrr, wish he would drop off the planet.
Riaan Moll 11/4/2009 3:22 PM
Leigh, Stan, EdZulu: Drop the appeal to force already. All three of you are ignorant hypocrites, and are ironically painting Islam with the prejudice brush. Go walk into your nearest Mosque and ask the Imam whether Islam is a religion of peace or one of violence. You'll probably be surprised at the answer.
george 11/4/2009 3:21 PM
@Goda: how would you know Baas Koos is trawling without trawling yourself? Plank
George 11/4/2009 3:19 PM
Quote "even encouraged embezzlement to win his favour (Luke 16:1-9)" unquote Can you not read little boy? Even a school child can tell you that this is not what the author was saying. Jeez - what a chump. It is people like you that give us non-believers a bad name. Now all those religious people have more ammo saying that unbelievers are just ignorant gits. RESEARCH before you WRITE you chop
Ty 11/4/2009 3:18 PM
Excellent article. The brainwashed religious bible-thumpers are certainly going to come out guns blazing advising how what you say doesn't really matter as you're going to burn in hell anyway. Useless muppets.
Topdog 11/4/2009 3:18 PM
to mishmeister you are right, if people dont like the article they shudnt read it. But all we are doing is to shed some light on how people wrongly interpret the Bible based on a few people's behaviour.
Leigh 11/4/2009 3:18 PM
I will repeat what some contributors are saying - lets see how brave you are and try saying a similar thing about a Moslem teacher. As with all columnists you attack Christianity which is an easy target but I bet you will never attempt a similar thing with Islam ... try doing a similar thing with the Koran..... I am willing to bet you do not have the balls to ... By the way I also think Ray macauley is a fraud but that does not give me the right to attack all Christians and the Bible...
Riaan Moll 11/4/2009 3:17 PM
Chops, I'll wipe the floor with you in a theophilosophical debate, anytime. Care to put your data where your mouth is?
Franklin 11/4/2009 3:14 PM
In my book, there is nothing more despicable than a religious hypocrite. Were McCauley an atheist, I'd have more respect for him.
chops 11/4/2009 3:13 PM
lol @ the smugness of the non believers. They have no real argument against religion so they resort to name-calling and insults. Yes. Very clever. Just a friendly word of advice to them - if name-calling is about as much as your brain can come up with, don't go around calling other people idiots. The irony is just embarressing.
Riaan 11/4/2009 3:13 PM
Looks like we borked the comments. Oh well. Good work, Chris!
Topdog 11/4/2009 3:13 PM
to all my brothers and sisters out there. do not bother to defend the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, Our Father is big enough to do that. Trying to persuade them is not going to work. The time is coming when God's glory will be seen, its on our doorstep. let it it be, when it happens they will soon discover who our God is. they think because all these things are happening, God is absent. as He is a loving Father He is also a consuming Fire. Praise His Holy Name all ye saints of the Lord.
Mishmeister 11/4/2009 3:13 PM
It AMAZES me how people sit ready in the wings for you to publish your article so they can moan. To the haters, buy yourself a bottle of Crackling and watch E-tv if you want to blow off steam, STOP reading Chris' column if it really bugs you that much. And just so you know, there are scours of people who think this, Chris is just brave enough to say it. Put that in your pipes and smoke it, sweeties.
Riaan Moll 11/4/2009 3:09 PM
Johnny, you're a retard. You don't realise how you tried to set up a strawman by mentioning apartheid and "dutchmen" in the same post (and thus attempting to paint me with that brush), but then step into your own trap by being prejudicial! C'mawn broer, flick that switch to the "on" position!
SDA 11/4/2009 3:06 PM
Just total Blasphemy, no need throw stones at the Christian populace in general. As Christ forgives so should we. Don’t look at man as the exemplar but Christ. Read the Bible my friend. God still loves you
SDA 11/4/2009 3:05 PM
Just total Blasphemy, no need throw stones at the Christian populace in general. As Christ forgives so should we. Don’t look at man as the exemplar but Christ. Read the Bible my friend. God still loves you
JohnnyP 11/4/2009 3:04 PM
@ Riaan... Richard Dawkins..the guy who believes in panspernia(aliens and all)Odd that you should bring him up. He has never criticsed Islam or Judaism.He far too much of a coward to do that.He won't debate a certain Rabbi in public as he lost the lost debate to him and was humiliated. As for PZ Meyers well... Odd that you did not name the likes of Daniel Dennet though. No knee jerk reactions I am afraid..just find it a bit odd as I assumed all Afrikaners were supposed to have been Christians.Clearly a huge oversight on my part but come on with a name Riaan what was I supposed to think.
Werner 11/4/2009 3:03 PM
Picking on Christians and Afrikaners is like hitting the little nerd at school. Now it's time to go for the big boys. I suggest kicking off with a column abount Mohammed. You know, kinda the same things you wrote in this article, but instead of Jesus, go at it with Mohammed. But you won't, you little pussy (not the cat), will you?
Chris McEvoy @ Christian 11/4/2009 3:02 PM
@Christian>> To put it in context: in the Mark and Matthew verses, Jesus goes "home" to eat with sinners and followers; in John, he goes home to rest with a friend because it's the 10th hour. NOT pray, or preach - eat and sleep. So please tell me how you get "church" out of "home", and why, if so, he was allowed to live there? Isn't there even a slight possibility that when the gospels refer to Jesus' home, they might, in fact be talking about his HOME? Or is that just crazy talk?
Les 11/4/2009 2:59 PM
Probably the only time I will ever agree with the author. But only regarding Ray McCauley. As a former church member at Rhema I can only agree that it is a business and NOT a church. Mr McCauley is a CEO and not a pastor (in any sense of the word) HOWEVER - Chris McEvoy (Who is so taunting and hateful of Christianity that I am surprised NEWS 24 keep publishing his rubbish), please do not quote scripture of which you clearly know absolutely nothing about (Just like Ray you twist the scripture to suit your needs). You are a very sad individual who is clearly threatened by Biblical Christianity (under which Ray and his kind do not fall BTW) and (likely) anything that makes a stand against sin or upholds any level of morality.
Whatever 11/4/2009 2:59 PM
Send me money, send me green Heaven you will meet Make a contribution and you'll get a better seat
Warren 11/4/2009 2:58 PM
I am a christian and also dislike Pastor Ray. Any guy that has to wear suits to preach and insists to be called pastor doesnt gel with me. He actually gives Christians a bad name. Another point is that any church that is all about one man has a problem (would Rhema survive if Ray left?). Jesus should be the main part of any church. your texts are taken out of context for example, Jesus and all of his disciples died poor. Some died on an upside down cross and others beheaded. The prosperity gospel is ruining peoples outlook on christianity. Chris, there are many, many real pastors out there that you can research. Mark Driscoll, John Piper and Matt Chandler to name a few. I dont do religion, I do Jesus and that is the only way to heaven. Its not about what works I need or have to do but rather about my relationship with Jesus and how it changes my life. Its the best decision I have ever made.
Topdog 11/4/2009 2:56 PM
to all believers who are participating in this, let us just pray for them. Their father is the devil, who blinded them. there I have said it. even Jesus mentioned it.
Baas Koos 11/4/2009 2:55 PM
All I know is that a traffic cop is the oldest job in the bible... "" en toe staan die bosegees agter die bos uit op...."
AL 11/4/2009 2:55 PM
Ray is the biggest con artist in sa history. And all the fools that give him money every sunday are flushing good money down the toilet.
Born Again Christian 11/4/2009 2:54 PM
if Chris is truelly that well informed, then he should start his own movement & show Ray how its suppose to be done.if u think Ps Ray is a criminal, why is it that he is regarded as one of the best pastors in the world?it means that there is something good hes doing out there.wat good thing have u done lately?wat about the many shelters he has built, the homeless villages, the old age homes. if hes a criminal, then hes a criminal with a good heart.
Riaan Moll 11/4/2009 2:53 PM
Thanks for the reply, Topdog. I interpret the scripture you quoted as purely representative of religious leaders' attempts (back in the ol' goat-herding days) to consolidate and entrench their judicial power. Not at all different to what McCauley is doing. He no doubt loves that little bit of text, and okes like yourself unfortunately swallow it hook, line and sinker. Nothing odd about it, and definitely nothing godly about it.
Bianca 11/4/2009 2:53 PM
F*ck F*ck F*ckedy F*ck
Christian @ The Dude 11/4/2009 2:52 PM
Anyone who knows the Bible can see immediately that Chris is misquoting and misinterpreting. The House of God = Jesus owned property? ROTFL. Must I really explain this? Amazing how the ones who know absolutely nothing about the Bible are always the ones trying to quote from it. Who was the lady columnist that wrote about the "teach a man to fish" story from the Bible last week - it's not even in the Bible!! Where do these people come from? They know nothing about the Bible but they don't believe in it and judge anyone who does. !?. Based on what? The mind boggles. Try reading the Bible before opening your mouth and showing off your ignorance. And then they call Christians stupid.
stan@EdZulu 11/4/2009 2:49 PM
EdZulu, i fully agree- he should have a go at any other religion- let him start with islam, hindus and scientology........ bet you he wont though- too chicken!!!. THe writer seems to be confused between religion and believe..... and then gets up on a soapbox with his own uneducated opnion- sad really, Bless Him!
Riaan Moll 11/4/2009 2:48 PM
Nice strawman, JohnnyP (note the hypocritical nom de plume). Unlike you, my brain isn't firmly switched to the "off" position. With that in mind, please explain to me what apartheid or cultural background has to do with this? Or is that the last arrow in your little quiver of kneejerks? Thought so. As for your assertion that athiests are cowards, well, you're obviously unfamiliar with men like Richard Dawkins or PZ Meyers.
What can I say 11/4/2009 2:44 PM
The first time I have read your column I saw a person asked you to write about Ray. Now the second time I have read your column it will be the last time. I am a child of God and so it means nothing to you or so many millions out there. So no one will miss my support. I have a warning for you. God does not sleep. Must He make an EXAMPLE of you to open the eyes of those HE love unconditionally?
Topdog 11/4/2009 2:43 PM
Hi Riaan. I dont always agree with what Julius Malema, or Robert Mugabe does, but one thing I do is to pray for them. Please read Romens 13:1-6. I will quote you on 1 of those verses. Now remember Im not saying it God does. "2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves" verse 2 of Romens 13.
JohnnyP 11/4/2009 2:41 PM
@ Edzulu..to answer your question..atheists are generally cowards.The reason they rant and rave about Christianity is because they know that the worst thing to happen to them is perhaps a stern tongue lashing. If they had anything to say about Judaism they would be labelled as Anti-Semitic.That scares the atheist. The same goes for Islam. The only difference here is that this could potentially be a threat to their life. @ Riaan...aren't all you "dutchman"(he said lovingly) supposed to be Christians? you guys masterminded apartheid. @Chris..I am no fan of Mcaulley..his nickname though, I believe is...supersize me..
EdZulu 11/4/2009 2:41 PM
@Riaan Moll - no I want Chris to write it, he has the ability to piss people off at such a rate I cannot wait for that article, however, does he have the balls, that is the question...pissing Christians off is such a mainstream type of writing when you have nothing else to write, it compares with calling in sick on your hangover...lets read something else and see other comments rather than the usual list...
The Dude 11/4/2009 2:39 PM
BTW - Not to piss on your parade but the Bible was written by people. And Cavepeople at that. pfft. Don;t get me wrong - there are a lot of good lessons from the stories in the Bible, but using it as scientific facts and quoting it as though it's the exact word of God is going a bit far.
Riaan Moll 11/4/2009 2:39 PM
Wow, a circular appeal to authority. Nice work, Topdog! /facepalm I'm guessing you're hoping for Julius Malema to become president, and applaud Mugabe's efforts in Zim? Riiiiiight. A bit of critical thinking about the nonsense you're spewing would go a long way, you know?
LC 11/4/2009 2:34 PM
You have always written very honest, accurate and entertaining articles. Your references to the Bible are however so idiotic, ridiculously flawed and just plain rubbish that you have moved quite far in the direction of the morons you write about.
Topdog 11/4/2009 2:34 PM
All I can say to Chris is this. The bible declares that you should not touch the annointed of God. You should not touch the leaders that is in authority wheteher spiritual or govermental. You are in direct violation of Him who sits on the throne. Please note, God is Authority and when you rebel against auhtority on earth you rebel against Him. But be careful He might take you off your pedestal. Chris and for all others read Romans 13:1-6 in the Bible.
Sarah 11/4/2009 2:34 PM
Gee. So many people seem to have missed the point. At least one person has remarked that "this is what happens whin you place the bible in the hands of a fool" - Actualy, thats the point. Any idiot (including creepy mccrawly) can pick up the bible and find phrases that suit his or her purpose. The bible was meant as a guide for good living, not as a literal thing - there were too many writers, with too many opinions for it to be taken literally. Stick to the basics (thou shalt not kill etc) and you should be fine. Mc crawly should pay attention to the "thou shalt not steal" part. For all those massively offended readers, the writer has merely used the phrases in the bible which suited his current need - Ray's been doing it for years, along with a bunch of Christians who on a daily basis use the bible to justify their own actions an bigotry.
The Dude @ Christians 11/4/2009 2:33 PM
To all the Christians who say he's quoting out of context - PLEASE enlighten us! Teach us what those quotes actually mean! Self-righteous aholes!
Me 11/4/2009 2:32 PM
Every week hordes of people get offended and swear never to read your article again... So when do they get to the leaving part? If they get to rant about us going to hell, then we get to rant about them believing in silly things ;P
The Dude 11/4/2009 2:30 PM
@ Spiderman How the hell can it be blasphemy when Chris took quotes from the Bible???? Really dude...come on. Although you are probably exactly the type of sheep totalitarian governments and religions are looking for. Retard!
Riaan Moll 11/4/2009 2:30 PM
@EdZulu: Bah, don't be a hypocrite. We'll leave the Muslim bashing for the fundamentalist Christian right.
cs 11/4/2009 2:29 PM
WHILE YOU ARE AT IT WHY DON'T YOU LOOK INTO HIS HERITAGE? I THINK HE IS THE GRANDSON OF CONNIE EBLEN WHO WAS THE GREATEST TRADER IN ILLEGAL DIAMONDS OF HER TIME AND AN EXTRAAORDINARY CON ARTIST.
jim bob 11/4/2009 2:25 PM
Quoting out of context? The whole bible is out of context.
@Chops 11/4/2009 2:23 PM
Chops, I couldn't have said it better. I find it just a bit irritating that Christians are torn apart because of their belief and bible bashing, meanwhile the athiests etc are so smug in their non-belief that they don't realise they are doing the same thing the Christians are doing. Ho hum, it's getting tedious now. That being said, Ray does seem like a rather creepy and underhanded character...
EdZulu 11/4/2009 2:23 PM
c'mon Chris, show some balls and write the same rubbish about Islam...I mean really, rip those Muslims to pieces, misquote the Quoran, insult Allah the way you rip into Jesus...this Christian bashing is lame one-sided and weak writing...how about some anti-Semetic shit while you at it (I mean that is where Jesus had his roots man, that could be another poor follow up)...this is so boring, so lacking of anything worth publishing...
Riaan Moll 11/4/2009 2:22 PM
This blog entry effin' rocks! As for the volk-en-vaderland-en-liewe-jesus-crowd complaining, who gives a rat's posterior? They're exactly the type of moron that McCauley, Buchan et al. extorts, and these charlatans rely on that inbred stupidity. I guess it's only natural. It's like spending money on a k@k motorcycle brand - you'll defend it to death because you invested in it financially and emotionally.
Ghwappie 11/4/2009 2:22 PM
Chris, I think most people agree about Ray, he is a despicable person using God to enrich himself. What I don't agree with, is your bashing of other people's beliefs. Put it this way - when we die, either the believers (myself included in that group) or the non-believers will find out they were wrong all along. I believe it won't be my group.
Norman Shoko 11/4/2009 2:22 PM
It is sad to see that much abuse in the church.Where you would expect unassuming and the disciplines of simplicity in the preaching of the gospel, what you have is this prosperity gospel that encourages this conspicuous consumption and the get rich or die trying messages in the church.
cs 11/4/2009 2:21 PM
WHILE YOU ARE AT IT WHY DON'T YOU LOOK INTO HIS HERITAGE? I THINK HE IS THE GRANDSON OF CONNIE EBLEN WHO WAS THE GREATEST TRADER IN ILLEGAL DIAMONDS OF HER TIME AND AN EXTRAAORDINARY CON ARTIST.
Baas Koos 11/4/2009 2:21 PM
MMMmmm.... house . . . = . . . . Church . . . '' as the phrase IS SAID….... "Come to the house of God..."
Freedom of Choice 11/4/2009 2:20 PM
To 24.com: Please add the names of the writers below the titles of each article IN BOLD. I DO NOT want to click on a chris mcenvoy article ever again. His logic deduction ability compares with two year old. His judgemental thought processes are typical african (continental),and the EQ typical of a country where the local sport is to see how low one can go.
The Dude 11/4/2009 2:19 PM
Nice one dude! Love how you used links to the Bible as proof. The christians will probably hit back with bullshit such as "you took it out of context" or "i think what God meant to say was" - I've never been that confident - Bill Hicks.
Alan 11/4/2009 2:12 PM
Although I agree that McCauly is a repugnant piece of c#$p, Chris, you should have stuck to the point, being that religion, like sex and advertising, sells bad products. Clearly this is what McCauly is all about. That is his business, and he has got very rich from it. The product he sells is that tangible warm fuzzy feeling of KNOWING that you are superior to the rest of the human race. Try driving past the HyperRhema in Randburg on any Sunday, and you see the way the chosen thousands drive in a residential area. Having "got religion" gives rights that are normally reserved only for ANC ministers and taxi drivers. Now, Chris, how about some comment on Julius Malema? He knows that feeling of superiority all too well.......
xavier 11/4/2009 2:11 PM
Pastor Ray's popularity is one side of the coin. What really makes me despair is the other side of the coin - the vast number of people who follow and apparently adore him. Pastor Ray's success is not a function of his capability, skill, charisma or level of morality (all low by most counts). His "success" is reflective of the sad state that society is in - there is a vast number of depressed, unhappy, insecure and desparate people who, in some bizarre manner, derive gratification from listening to his messages of hope. These sad folk are massively dependent and keep "waiting for the rescuer". The rescuer is particularly skilled in recognizing these dependencies, feeds them what he knows they want to hear and then .... laughs all the way to the bank.
Chris McEvoy 11/4/2009 2:05 PM
@Baas Koos & @Charles Bell: (Mark 2:14-15 KJV) (Mark 2:14-15 NIV) (Matt. 9:7-8) (John 1:38-39)
peos 11/4/2009 2:04 PM
10/10 Chris, brilliant...
ES 11/4/2009 2:00 PM
I agree with Dawn, Baas Dou and leoni. But I was offended about the Bible part.
Baas Koos 11/4/2009 1:58 PM
@ Skeptic.... look at the comment from Charles Bell..... Jesus never owned a home.... so becareful what you qoute as it will bite you in the @SS..... and hence the reason that there are so many religions out there.... all the different stories!
PAR 11/4/2009 1:58 PM
Was nearly a good article but you should have stuck to slating Ray McCauley and left Christianity out of it. It always amazed me that when we had load shedding the lights never went out at Rhema - the poor vet over the road was never afforded the same privelage.
Thato (not my real name!) 11/4/2009 1:53 PM
i fell line, hook and sinker for this man's charms. i was going through a bad patch last year and so went to church one sunday morning and you know, i don't regret going for once. but i couldn't shake-off the whole sales pitch thing about him. the love for all things expensive had always been evident through his lavish lifestyle, and he uses god's word to take, take, and take more! i mean what kind of man of god comfortable does this? when i went to the church it was just after he had his affair and people forgave him. and i believe there were many other indiscretions before that, so how many times must he show his true colours for us to believe him? maya angelou once said: "when people show you who they are believe them". the essence of that is, we don't always say the truth about ourselves, but our actions sure do! how can his son have a self-serving fundraising party in the name of being doing gods work? i protest! this guy and his spawn are just scam!
FJ 11/4/2009 1:52 PM
This is what happens when you place the Bible in the hands of a fool. Fortunately it seems that you have "saved" many people from being subjected to your column again ...(me included).
chops 11/4/2009 1:50 PM
Ag whatever. Chris and his followers had their usual 5mins of God-bashing (again) and can get back to work feeling all better about themselves. Seriously. How insecure must you be in your lack of faith to always hammer on how stupid believers are? Do you really believe that? Real stupidity is ridiculing someone for believing something different from you. If you don't understand that you're beyond stupid. (No offence Chris)
Charles Bell 11/4/2009 1:50 PM
WOW! What a load of drivel! Get your facts straight Chris. Where in scripture does it mention Jesus owning a home? Seems your bitterness has driven you beyond reason. It's a pity to be running from the One who gave you breath. I hope you see the truth staring you in the face.
Jesus Freak 11/4/2009 1:48 PM
You need salvation...I will pray for you.
Greatly Offended 11/4/2009 1:45 PM
@Offended : As a non-christian I am (and millions of people throughout time) GREATLY offended by your religious views, i.e. I'll burn in "hell" (notice priests don't believe in a "real" hell these days anymore? haha), just because I don't CONFORM to your idiotic beliefs. Hell (sic), in the past free thinking people were hunted down and burned at the steak (literally), and you "take offense at a simple article. Shame shame. Chris writes what he writes, and he's good enough to attract the lot of you to his columns, so stop being a critic and write your own if you don't like his.
Fred the savage 11/4/2009 1:41 PM
Personally, I have nothing against Christians (or any other religion), but Rhema is warehouse wholesale religion. Purely a money making scam. And I have always distrusted McCauley- long before you Chris. Describing him as a used car salesman is insulting the lowest used car salesman!
Ai Tog 11/4/2009 1:40 PM
Hope to enjoy your column next time more.. I enjoyed your post, thought it was very interesting, but why did you have to go and quote the Bible verses out of context like that? I agree with Eugene .. this is more of a blasphemy-type column this time. I know you don't need any qualifation to quote The Bible, but please .. your making statements about important stuff here!
Skeptic 11/4/2009 1:37 PM
@Baas Koos: It's not like there is any consensus what-so-ever about how the bible should be interpreted. Some read it as literal truth others as see it as symbolic. If there was agreement we wouldn't have the vast number of different churches within the Christian faith. In short: there is no one authoritative "this is the correct meaning", so the author's is as good as the next.
piet 11/4/2009 1:36 PM
Perhaps you could share the source of youre second hand Bible knowledge with us Chris, obviously it's as second-rate as your own writing....but what do you expect from somebody working for News24 ?
Skeptic 11/4/2009 1:29 PM
@Offended: What you seem to imply is that respect means you shouldn't criticise anything as you run the risk of bruising someone's fragile feelings? If we all followed that logic, we'd still believe the earth was flat and that the moon was made of cheese. If you don't like the article, stop reading it and move on... why did you (presumably) read it to the end and then take the time to tell the author how much it offended you?
victor 11/4/2009 1:29 PM
just another bullshitting moneygrabbing hypocrite
Jonathan 11/4/2009 1:28 PM
Excellent article, you sum up everything I think of the scumbag but couldn't articulate.
Baas Koos 11/4/2009 1:28 PM
Lol @ Linus!!!!
Dali Lama 11/4/2009 1:27 PM
Thank you! Finally i'm not alone in my dislike for the "God-man"! I know that all you "Jesus-lovers" are shocked but get over it! You are wrong!
EmTee 11/4/2009 1:27 PM
Apart from trolling for comments from offended Christians...what is the point of this article? I'm no fan of McCauley, but surely you could have chosen a more productive target to empty your barrels of negativity out on? Maybe Julius Malema, since you both seem to ooze the same aura of hatred from your pores. Empty vessels make the most noise?
Linus 11/4/2009 1:26 PM
Anyone who can spew this kind of vitriol must be a jealous homo...
Leoni 11/4/2009 1:24 PM
For the first time I agree with you about good old Ray - have never been able to tolerate the man, but leave the Bible alone.
Baas Koos 11/4/2009 1:22 PM
@ Skeptic... to be able to qoute the versus you need to understand what they mean and what the message detail is in them before telling others to read them and create their own version of the story.... it is just the correct thing to do... dont you think....
Spiderman 11/4/2009 1:20 PM
I also don't like Ray Mac and I truly believe that he is a false prophet. However, what could have been a good collumn was turned into a blatent blasphemous attack on Christiaan Religeon. You completely lost the plot. Your column should be rejected in its entirety with the contempt that it deserves by all that reads it!
Ron 11/4/2009 1:20 PM
Your article appears to me to be purely an opinion based on what you see and hear and not on fact. Based on this, Ray is a horrible person. I summarise the main points - ** Ray does not agree to people being hypnotised. The presenter's opinion was that hypnotism was exactly the same as what Ray did on stage. Ray gave his version, in his own words, of what he believes the bible says ** You looking at him and what you hear that he is a bastard of a boss is proof that he is ** The main reason why you think he is bad is because he has money. It has been a long history of people thinking that christians are not allowed to be rich. Read the bible and then make a decision Would be great to have an article based on fact rather than opinion.
Maximus Odi 11/4/2009 1:20 PM
I see the god botherers have pitched up already, lovely, some more amusement following a thoroughly entertaining article! But tja, Ray "tickle-my-man-tits" McCauley is now getting into a power position where he can start doing some real damage, maybe it is time for Jesus to come and fetch his faithful servant as an early reward. But it has to be dramatic - Jesus coming to fetch him on a shiny Harley or something.
Dracolusus 11/4/2009 1:17 PM
Absolutely brilliant, I need to RSS feed your columns. I couldn't have said it better. Ignore the rabble, they are lost to their dogma and blindness that they pay for every Sunday.
Baas Koos 11/4/2009 1:15 PM
@ Goda.... exactly what are you... boy.... girl... or Kaas koppie?
C3R83RU5 11/4/2009 1:15 PM
Great Column as usual, had me laughing my arse off, no truly i have it lying on the table next to me. God Business is ALWAYS Good Business.
Baas Koos 11/4/2009 1:14 PM
@ Goda.... and what exactly did I say that was racist???? And what exactly about my comment is so racist???? And what is ''notices''.... dont you mean ''noticed'' Like Chris the other day with "Amore"!!!??? I mean realy... wtf???
jason 11/4/2009 1:14 PM
LOL Keep up the good work. Maybe the commies who run SARS need to look carefully at these "donations". Pastor Ray is even lower that Agliotti! Don't forget Ray fly's to Durban every weekend too.
Baas Dou 11/4/2009 1:13 PM
Thank you! Finally i'm not alone in my dislike for the "God-man"! I know that all you "Jesus-lovers" are shocked but get over it! You are wrong!
Dawn 11/4/2009 1:11 PM
I couldn't agree more. I think McCauley is one of the most repulsive, hypocritical creatures on the planet. He makes my skin crawl. Did you ever see that Steve Martin film "Leap of Faith" - says it all. I'm sure even God finds him embarrassing.
Skeptic 11/4/2009 1:11 PM
@Baas Koos: Didn't know you needed some sort of qualification to quote bible passages. I suggest the author check with the Christianity Gestapo first next time and get the article vetted and approved.
Eugene 11/4/2009 1:10 PM
Mmm...I normally like your column Chris, but somehow i think you're pushing it a bit with your Bible quotes. Somehow you've turned this article from Ray into a blasphemy-type column. Rather stay away from the Bible if you want to quote out of context.
TBONE 11/4/2009 1:10 PM
Excellent work! I tend to agree with you Chris.
Felix 11/4/2009 1:10 PM
@Goda. Do you follow Baas Koos around then?
Tom 11/4/2009 1:07 PM
Proud of you Chris, always knew you were a closet Bible reader - even though you've taken the verses out of context. Either way, now that you've done patting yourself on the back, get back to the closet!
stephen 11/4/2009 1:05 PM
whilst not totally unrelated to this article on a self professed religious man... for G*ds sake Chris, please change your blog photo here.. I honestly thought you were a dyke until about 2 articles ago when it was clear you were a male... but this photo... no man...... sies.!
Terence 11/4/2009 1:04 PM
Firstly, I want my click back. You have no discernable writing skill. I hate McCauley as he is a self-indulgent hypocrite but your article does nothing to help the people who hate god-botherers. You try and make the case against ol' Ray using stupid analogies and comparisons which try to sound clever but really aren't. Please, stop writing and go back to whatever it is that someone actually paid you for and free us from being exposed to your sorry excuse of an intelligent opinion. Thank you
Offended 11/4/2009 1:02 PM
As a Christian I am extremely offended by your column leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Shows your lack of respect for others!
Goda 11/4/2009 1:00 PM
@Baas Koos - you don't think that anyone notices that you spend your entire day trawling the news24 sites and posting mean (frequently racist) comments? Get a life. Or read something you enjoy. By now, you really should have learned. @William: Consider learning to spell column.
Baas Koos 11/4/2009 12:55 PM
Yaaaaaawwnnn..... I presume that you studied the bible and that you are qualified to quote the bible verses in your articles….? I take it that you are either very bored or that you are hard up for work….. there is hardly a news article about them and I think that you visit him to often as you know their whole history…….? How often…. 4-5 times a week? Hope you prayed before you ate?!
William 11/4/2009 12:52 PM
Won't read your collumn again
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