Chris Chameleon joins Bono debate

2011-02-15 10:22
Philip de Bruin
Cape Town - The public spat over U2's lead singer Bono's remarks about the ANC song Kill the Boer, spread even further on Monday.

Another well-known SA singer Chris Chameleon has expressed his support for Steve Hormeyr on Facebook and among other things said “the context of Bono’s remark is trivial”.

Chameleon said that “to say you have to choose the right community for such songs, is similar to condoning racist remarks at a braai”.

“Such thoughts and remarks should be discouraged on all levels of society.

“Ireland didn’t even experience the same type of casualties during its ‘war time’ as South Africa is experiencing during a time of peace."

Win favour

“We can’t afford to sing such songs (like Kill the Boer) or make remarks (like Bono’s) in this country.”

On Sunday evening in response to Bono’s explanation, Hofmeyr wrote on Facebook that he can’t, “like Bono, find any good context for hate speech like Kill the Boer.

“Bono is trying to win favour with the ANC by putting hate speech war songs in a good light by comparing it to Ireland’s.

“Yours is safe within context – ours isn’t.

“You live in peace in Dublin, while our farmers are being murdered like flies.

“I love your music, but I see right through the populist holes in your brain.

“With or without you? Without, lad.”
 

Comments

  • Brandon96end - 2011-02-15 10:26

    really... who cares?

      freddie van eyk - 2011-02-15 11:26

      The farmers who live in fear of racist attacks every day of their lives. The same farmers that grow the food to feed your ass every day.

      jobs12002 - 2011-02-15 11:45

      You will care if you start starving how stupid can you be do you also baleef that food falls from the sky like the anc ?

      shikyo777 - 2011-02-15 12:02

      And all the white people in the country.. Boer is the common word for white people.. Well maybe you do not mind if your 80 year old parents are tortured to death or your 9 month old daughter raped. This is the things happening daily and it really does not need to be instigated by mindless fools. Down with U2. They only have a market in South Africa because white people bought their music from the beginning. We can also stop it.

      George Frangs - 2011-02-15 13:19

      I agree with Shikyo, It's only us whities that actually buy this kak. They are a bunch of no talent hacks, who are just trying to remain in the limelight as their youth dwindles, and people see that Bono is a giant douche... Honestly, the only "good" album they released was Joshua Tree, and everything after was mediocre at best. I seriously don't understand the world's fascination with this band. More to the point, do we really need more people perpetuating the boiling rascist tension in this country? I'm sure Brendan is a little pig farmer, who grows his own crops, and irrigates it with his obvious intellect. You're a dumbass, like BONOr...

      The Patriot - 2011-02-15 14:36

      Interesting fact was that 99% of the attendants at the concert were white. So who should Boner be sucking up to? @ Brandon96end, maybe you should.

      Johan van Rensburg - 2011-02-15 17:05

      You'll care when it is your father or mother or wife that gets killed. Don't think it can't happen to you boet.

      lotus.lindi - 2011-02-16 20:57

      Ever heard the concept "food security"? Or perhaps "Love your neighbour"?

  • kingoftomorr - 2011-02-15 10:35

    Yeah seriously who r these guys?

      Marius - 2011-02-15 10:50

      Both you and Brandon96end are displaying your ignorance on this forum. Rather don't comment if you have the general knowledge of a fruit fly.

      LogicBomb - 2011-02-15 11:05

      @kingofnothing so you start off by touting your vast knowledge of all things trivial, then stoop to ridiculous generalizing and end off by saying that you are actually not so clever. And we must take you seriously? Laughable man, get off your high horse and keep your mouth shut if you can't add anything of substance to the debate.

      CC - 2011-02-15 11:24

      @kingoftomorr. When (if) you are playing 30 seconds - how do you describe the Afrikaans community? Those that live in a bubble? :-) Seriously who are you? The 30 seconds champ....what championship did you win? The one with you, your wife, and your 8 and 12 year old offspring? If Steve Hofmeyr and Chris Chameleon are not allowed to comment on this, than why do you see yourself worthy of commenting?

      daaivark - 2011-02-15 11:49

      @ Marius. It is patently obvious that you are reacting to what is rumoured to have been said, rather than actual facts. Now THAT is ignorance.

      Marius - 2011-02-15 11:58

      @daaivark: Huh?? I was commenting on kingoftomorr's ignorance (should have commented on his arrogance as well) not on Bono's remarks. Where do YOU come from now? Maybe "obvious" ignorance?

      Gustav - 2011-02-16 12:42

      30 Seconds champ? Sounds like you suffer from premature ejaculation

  • GamingAcademy - 2011-02-15 10:49

    Well done, Chris and Steve. Enough is enough. Someone has to stand up to all this racism, and at least you guys have the balls to stand up and call it like it is. You're saying what all other victims of racism (aka currently disadvantaged) are thinking. Keep it up.

      daaivark - 2011-02-15 11:50

      What racism? Where do you get that from?

  • Chris10 - 2011-02-15 10:52

    http://www.thedailymaverick.co.za/article/2011-02-14-bono-malema-and-the-headlines-that-stirred-all-the-rage Go and read this article

      Michael - 2011-02-15 11:11

      This seems to be the most balanced of the articles I've seen. Unfortunately we live in a fairly polarized, semi-literate society where an article of this length and complexity will not be read, let alone understood. People will react to key words and phrases regardless of context. Struggle, racism, Malema, Terreblanche, farm, cadres, nationalization, affirmative action, apartheid, crime, unemployment, corruption, welfare state blah blah blah. Maybe people will comment on this even though the words are not even in a proper sentence?

  • lordcyberaxx - 2011-02-15 10:55

    Chris and Steve should stick with what they are good at: Chris with hissing and peeping in his songs, and Steve to fornication and covering Neil Diamond. Both seem to have missed the whole interview with Bono: http://www.channel24.co.za/Music/News/Afriforum-supports-Bono-20110214

      Eish! - 2011-02-15 11:30

      @lordcyberASS - I read the whole interview, and there is context for this racist rubbish. Then I want the right to sing a song I used to hear in the old days, "Kill the k....." All for historical reasons, of course, and must not be taken literally.

      Eish! - 2011-02-15 11:31

      I meant "there is NO context"...

      LJ Graey - 2011-02-15 11:31

      Clearly you have little appreciation for the amount of sway Afrikaans artists have over their supporters. And to be honest, though their reactions are based on missinformation, they do have a right to react to a situation that does affect them directly. (Though I have to point out that Chris Chameleon's argument was much more balanced and well thought out.) What Chris10 is rightly pointing out to us is that this missinformation was supplied to them, just as it was to us, by the very same forum we're having this discussion on. Clearly the original article was written purely to get Afrikaners riled up or purport some ideological connection between Bono and the ANCYL, which to me simply means the original author is politically motivated or simply has no regard for truth if it gets in the way of a juicy story. Personally I think the Sunday Times journalist and editor responsible (as well as every other publication that felt it right to repeat the story without checking the facts first) should be taken to court by Bono and taught a lesson about what political sensationalism gets you...

      Lanfear - 2011-02-15 11:45

      LOL! Thanks for this [very true] comment. Almost fell off my chair laughing. And I followed that link and read what Bono REALLY said and agree that all these twats didn't read what he SAID [not just the "context" Chris!]

  • Chris10 - 2011-02-15 11:01

    http://www.thedailymaverick.co.za/article/2011-02-14-bono-malema-and-the-headlines-that-stirred-all-the-rage

  • dubloki - 2011-02-15 11:05

    @kingoftomorr: being a "30 seconds champs" earns the respect of no one. It seems you are the one in the bubble.

      GTFO - 2011-02-15 11:07

      KINGofthemuff is reatarded.

      kingoftomorr - 2011-02-15 11:10

      IS that a 30 seconds challenge? Wow u guys are a happy friendly bunch in here

      kingoftomorr - 2011-02-15 11:11

      @GTFO, why thank u, the muff really does dig me but saying im the king of the muff is a lil over board, but thanks again man

      LogicBomb - 2011-02-15 11:14

      King for a day, fool for a lifetime! A legend in his own lunchtime, or around the coffee table playing board games!

      kingoftomorr - 2011-02-15 11:16

      Yeah u guys r a pleasant bunch, still sad from being bullyed all those years at school? come on grow up just because i dont have a clue about your afrikaans "celebs" no need to get so twitchy

      LogicBomb - 2011-02-15 11:23

      hahahaha I promise you I've never been bullied. It's one of the bonuses of coming from strong Afrikaner genes. You opened the can of worms man, if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen!

  • daaivark - 2011-02-15 11:09

    Oh My. Another wannabee seeking attention. Shame. @ marius: Ignorance not having the names of a bunch of pathetic unoriginals at the tip of one's tongue? I would suggest that this discussion, based on rumour rather than actual information, demonstrates severe ignorance.

      Marius - 2011-02-15 12:08

      daaivark: "Pathetic unoriginals"?! Who do you think you are to make such sweeping, uninformed and subjective statements! You didn't even understand my comment. (I wasn't commenting on Bono's interview.) YOU are taking ignorance to a "severe" new level. Pfffff.....silly.

      LogicBomb - 2011-02-15 12:26

      @Marius jy mors jou tyd met die poephol. Hy het duidelik 'n reuse chip op sy skouer so die beste wat ons kan doen vir hom, is om sout en asyn aan te bied.

      Marius - 2011-02-15 13:01

      @LogicBomb: LOL!! Jy slaan die spyker op die kop.

  • Dan4 - 2011-02-15 11:09

    Chris who? Another half-assed local boytjie hopes to gain free publicity? Rather get known beyond our borders, boytjie and then shoot off your mouth....

      LogicBomb - 2011-02-15 11:15

      And how would that validate his comment? Try and make some sense man, your logic is flawed.

      Dan4 - 2011-02-15 11:19

      You can't validate self-serving twaddle....

      LogicBomb - 2011-02-15 11:25

      Then why are you so worried about where he is known? He is well known and loved among his own people, why should he care what the rest of the world thinks about his views? And I'm still trying to find where in the article he tried to promote his music or album sales. Again, your logic is flawed...

      Dan4 - 2011-02-15 11:41

      Get a life, man. If you are so logical, how come you don't recognise that their accusations are false - Bono handled a difficult question well and indeed said that although proest/struggle songs are valid "folk" music (i.e. kom van die volk), such songs should not be sung in public. These two bozos are just trying to climb on the bandwagon and get free publicity by cynically making a (false) issue out of it....

      LogicBomb - 2011-02-15 11:51

      A closed mouth gathers no foot. Here is the crux of Chris' argument: "Chameleon said that “to say you have to choose the right community for such songs, is similar to condoning racist remarks at a braai”. “Such thoughts and remarks should be discouraged on all levels of society. “Ireland didn’t even experience the same type of casualties during its ‘war time’ as South Africa is experiencing during a time of peace." Can you debate the merits of his argument instead of just being emotive?

      Dan4 - 2011-02-15 12:33

      There is nothing to debate - this fellow has no argument. Now go and play with someone else.

      Lana123 - 2011-02-15 12:39

      Dan4....please see below - this dude has been all over the show...please don't talk about things you know nothing about. In Brief Musician, went solo after a break up with his band Boo! in 2004, but re-joined the band in february 2010. They performed all over the world, at many European and American festivals with the likes of White Stripes, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Franz Ferdinand and Cypress Hill. His album 7de Hemel reached platinum status (> 50 000 units) in August 2006. He reached the semi-finals of the International Songwriting Competition (ISC) in 2007 with the single Anywhere from the album Shine. Was voted Number 52 in Heat Magazine's Hot 100 for 2007. Boo! are currently recording a new album in Amsterdam and are bound to perform on several festivals this year.

  • flyingsaucer - 2011-02-15 11:11

    2 farts just make it stink more and longer!!! Bono does more for suffering individuals all over the world in 1 year, than any of these clowns will ever do in 2 life times. Although i see their chain of thought, if you sing local you think local and that is just not big enough on a topic that affects the world. Racism isn't a matter of colour - it is a conflict of different cultures, it exists everywhere. And, wtf does Bono need the ANC for??? - WOW what a dumb ass statement!!!

  • Liza - 2011-02-15 11:13

    Well said Chris, these senseless murders of our farmers must be stopped at all cost. Even if the "Kill the boer" song contributed to only a few of murders it was a few too many and cannot be tolerated. We should move on and encourage peace in our beautiful country. What kind of person or society would encourage people to kill. Bono should have considered his words before comparing our vastly different countries, situations and people. These senseless murderers don't need any form of encouragement, it is totally irresponsible.

  • Rudi - 2011-02-15 11:33

    I think both Steve and Chris should throw themselves into the Jukskei. What have they ever done to help the fight against aids and how much of their (show) money have they given or donated towards ARV research???

  • brokennews - 2011-02-15 11:34

    Why are some dutchmen intent on embarrassing the rest of the white population?

      LogicBomb - 2011-02-15 11:36

      Why do most souties have such overinflated egos?

      Eish! - 2011-02-15 11:38

      Wrong there, boet. Who the hell are you to speak on behalf of "the rest of the white population"? They don't embarrass me - I'm proud that they have the balls to stand up. Go hug your maid and gardener, brother, and show everyone the love.

      Janine - 2011-02-15 11:42

      @Eish - I'm quite happy to hug both my gardener and my maid who are decent, hardworking people. Steve - on the other hand - I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot barge pole!

      daaivark - 2011-02-15 11:52

      Oh God. Let's not get into the whole rooinek/dutchman thing please. The stupidity evidenced so far is quite enough, thanks.

      brokennews - 2011-02-15 12:06

      Then why do we carry on with the black and white thing? Especially the dutchmen and their folk heroes like steve? Get integrated.

      brokennews - 2011-02-15 12:09

      @LogicBomb - Overinflated ego's? Did you just try use a big word to act english? Stick to afrikaans 1ste taal (now 11de taal)

      Marius - 2011-02-15 12:12

      @daaivark: Your stupidity is quite evident....

      LogicBomb - 2011-02-15 12:34

      @brokennews I'm not here to impress anyone, least of all you. Funny how upset you can get over me playing a little tit for tat with you. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Oh and if "overinflated" is a "big" word, might I suggest you expand your vocabulary so at least you can speak like an arrogant Pom and not just come across as a wingnut from Plumstead who is a legend in his own lunchtime? pffffft you bore me

      brokennews - 2011-02-15 13:18

      @LogicBomb - you offended me as much as Bono cares about your folk hero's rants.

      Marius - 2011-02-15 14:11

      @brokennews: You sound like a typical arm chair pseudo liberal who dicrimminate at free will against other population groups when it suits you - refer to your "Dutcman" comment. You are a typical hypocrite and you should rather shut up - you are just making an arse of yourself. Your hatred for Afrikaners is blinding you.

      brokennews - 2011-02-15 15:03

      Your hatred for blacks is coming back to bite you

      Marius - 2011-02-15 15:25

      Where on earth do you get THAT from? How can you assume that? Don't project your discriminatory attitude on me. I am very dissapointed that there are still people like you in this country. Not one of my English speaking friends have this outdated "Dutchman" attitude that you still have. You really are an awful person or just a bitter and twisted old fossil.

  • harry1 - 2011-02-15 11:35

    After reading the article and all the comments, I could not remember a single sensible thing that was mentioned except that... Steve Chameleon was angry at Malema for singing one of his songs without sending Steve a cheque for royalties...uh...I think?

      LogicBomb - 2011-02-15 11:38

      No, you don't think. Case closed.

  • Janine - 2011-02-15 11:39

    Chris who?

  • daaivark - 2011-02-15 11:48

    Hell Chris. For once come up with something original. This is just lame.

  • Themba Radebe - 2011-02-15 12:10

    Wait a min what about the hundreds of blacks killed by those farmers mistaking them as animals...and walk free after that....yet people have a prob with the song...if thatt, the case then why not wipe out the whole National Party history, anything that has to do with old govt. put down old monuments of Paul Kruger and them,...if the shoot the boer song has bad taste than why not pull down all dose monuments....cos they remind us of the brutallity under NP...LOL nevertheless i love my Country with all its troubles...I LOVE ME MY Whit buddies to

      LogicBomb - 2011-02-15 12:38

      Congrats, you've just confirmed that you are typical cannon fodder for the ANC propaganda machine. "hundreds of blacks killed by those farmers mistaking them as animals"??? Now I'm sure you're going to provide proof to back up that pathetic statement, right? No? Thought not. Go play on the train tracks man.

      camelthief - 2011-02-15 13:36

      Themba: I don't care if those monuments are pulled down, but they don't overtly incite people to kill someone. Whatever we can say about the history of the struggle, of which I was an active part, it won't erase the fact that the song calls for people to kill the boers. It's more than just a 'bad taste' But we now know Bono never supported the song anyway, just bad reporting.

  • Wendy - 2011-02-15 12:15

    Why do we even bother to bring racist artists to this country? We have our own artists who know very well what the troubles of this country comprise and who take care to treat this country and its people with the necessary respect. Send the racist, shitstirring idiots out of here and to hell in a hand basket. I WILL boycott their music. They have no respect for our plight.

      camelthief - 2011-02-15 13:33

      racist?

      harry1 - 2011-02-15 13:56

      What plight?

  • JimG - 2011-02-15 12:17

    Winning an argument on the net is like winning in the special olympics. Sure you won, but you're still a retard. Stop feeding the trolls!

  • Justin Kinley Atkins - 2011-02-15 12:39

    As I have said before, Bono is a plonker!

  • Viv - 2011-02-15 12:50

    Bono is not trying to win favour with anyone.

  • camelthief - 2011-02-15 13:32

    The newspapers and News24 owe us all, and Bono an apology. I was one of the many who responded to these reports and many thousands of South Africans might have got the wrong idea. They have turned what Bono did not say into something he might as well have said. Very poor show!

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-02-15 13:52

    How can you take this doos seriously...his name is Chris Chameleon,for God's sake !!! These 2 wannabe has-beens wanna ride the U2 wave down the Jukskei river.....please go find a room & make each other happy.

      LogicBomb - 2011-02-15 14:21

      About as easily as I can take a doos who calls himself Bono Vox seriously. Come to think of it, I can easily add Currie Mafia to the list!

  • elli edwards - 2011-02-15 14:27

    Oh Chris hush and go put on you make-up. You do that better than anything else.

  • sirpreme.overlord - 2011-02-15 14:27

    Pathetic journalism again. Chris did not come out in support of Steve Mofeyer. He made some uninformed statements on his FB page, and he mentioned that he hoped were only rumours. Today he has agreed that he and Bono were both quoted out of context!

  • Mandy - 2011-02-15 14:56

    What a relief that there are still some out there who use their brains. It doesn't matter if you hate Steve Hoffmeyer and adore Bono - Steve is RIGHT !! Bono should have his sorry butt kicked right out of our country by the ever colourful Julius - at least then there would be something that I could support Mal-emma for. Bono is an old hasbeen. Who cares if he made good music. He is an arsehol. An ignoramus antagonistic idiot. I'm so glad that I didn't waste money on U2 tickets. I would have dumped them as well.

      brokennews - 2011-02-15 15:05

      ARe you one of his groupies? sory, groepies

      sirpreme.overlord - 2011-02-15 16:04

      @brokennews: from her FB page you can see that she is a repressed conservative tannie.

  • tommy 2 - 2011-02-15 16:15

    STEVE AND CHRIS CAN BOTH GO AND TAKE TURNS F.....G each other and write a song,about farmers ill treating workers,speaking badly to workers,paying farmworkers with a sick lamb and 80kiligram mielie miel. If people think a song gets people killed,then my uncle who is a detective has told me,by every afrikaans murder or suicide a STEVE HOFFMEYER CD was playing or found.So maybe STEVE SHOULD BE BANNED FROM MAKING MUSIC.

      brokennews - 2011-02-15 16:18

      Funny how no one talks about the ill treatment of farm workers by the owners. Something which still happens today. Then when they come back for revenge they call it genocide. What goes around..comes around.

  • Johan van Rensburg - 2011-02-15 17:04

    More famous South Africans should stand up and tell Bonehead where he can shove it.

      sirpreme.overlord - 2011-02-15 20:33

      Steve Poephol Hofmeyer is only famous in his own mind.

  • joniep - 2011-02-15 20:44

    The point that everyone seems to be missing is that this environment of hate and contempt is where Bono grew up - these are his roots. I have no doubt many of his millions found their way into IRA coffers, and we all know what that was used for. Bombs and guns used on innocent British and Irish citizens and soldiers slaughtered in the streets. The man has advocated his support of the IRA for years, he has condoned "by any means necessary" so why are we all surprised? I have not bought a U2 album since Rattle and Hum and will continue to do so until Bono disappears into obscurity and please God, can that be sometime soon.

  • snoekels - 2011-02-16 08:31

    You Go Chris!!!

  • cheekyroman - 2011-02-16 09:40

    This comments from two artist that is not selling anything anymore WHAAHAAAHAAA!!!

      Kryvirjou@24.com - 2011-02-16 11:08

      @cheekyroman......you've missed the point CHOP HEAD.....the only music you will hear is when the Farmer killers are in your kitchen........eating romany creams......and you sitting on the BONO

      Cire - 2011-02-16 18:00

      And how many whatevers have you sold recently?

  • Cire - 2011-02-16 17:58

    I agree that Bono is trying to be as poltically correct as possible. The problem is that being able to tell the difference between between c major and b flat does not qualify you to make idiotic political comments. Like lots of people at Sunday's concert, I wish Bono would stick to what he knows best (and does so well) and shut up otherwise - U2 are a great band and I wonder what Edge and the others really think about Bono's silly posturing?

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