'Pray for satanic rock fest RAMfest'

2012-02-20 11:43
Karin Burger
Cape Town - A chain e-mail that accuses the popular RAMfest of satanism apparently resulted in organisers rushing to find a new venue in Bloemfontein, after Kovsies' RAG venue was withdrawn.

The anonymous e-mail originated in Bloemfontein and accuses organisers of bringing "foreign occult and satanic music groups to the festival".

It says among other things: "This festival is organised by satanists and an illuminati-movement! One only needs to look at RAMfest's logo to see the occult signs."

The organisers believe it's due to this e-mail that the University of the Free State (UFS) has withdrawn. The UFS, however, says it's simply because the correct protocol was not followed.

'People will find Satan'

In the e-mail, people are asked to pray together against the rock festival, to be held on March 3.

RAMfest began six years ago in Cape Town and expanded so quickly that it's being staged in Johannesburg for the third time this year and for the second time in Durban. Bloemfontein and Port Elizabeth will be part of the festival for the first time this year.

Chief organiser Dawid Fourie said the intention is by no means to lead people into the abyss.

"It's just a pure rock 'n roll festival that we're trying to get started on an international standard.

"People will however find Satan everywhere they look for him."

Universities love protocol

Fourie said he has already lost R80 000 because he had to re-print flyers and redo TV and radio advertisments.

"Everything was ready for the Kovsie Rag venue, that can accommodate 3 000 people.

"Fortunately, the Mystic Boer received us with open arms. But they can only accommodate 800 people," said Fourie.

Kabous Meiring, who until recently acted as manager of student media, which includes Kovsie FM, said Kovsie FM was very excited about the festival.

"We have booked the Rag venue for the festival, but due to ignorance we didn't fill in all the right forms. We thus didn't follow the correct procedures.

"Kovsie FM love rock concerts; universities love protocol. Bloemfontein can do with a good rock show. "

Dates

She was also taken aback by the e-mail saying she can't believe people want to cancel a festival due to so-called satanism.

Dean of student affairs Rudi Buys said the UFS did not give approval for RAMfest on the Bloemfontein campus.

Fourie said he is determined to take RAMfest to Bloemfontein again next year.

RAMfest takes place on March 2 in Port Elizabeth, March 3 in Bloemfontein, March 9 in Durban, March 10 in Johannesburg and March 11 in Cape Town.

Among the international bands that will play in Cape Town and Johannesburg are In Flames (Sweden), Awolnation (US), Infected Mushroom (Israel) and Netsky (Belgium).

The list of bands varies for the different cities.

*Did you perhaps receive the anti-RAMfest chain e-mail? Do you agree with its message? E-mail us your thoughts.

Comments

  • mbossenger - 2012-02-20 12:40

    "This festival is organised by satanists and an illuminati-movement" - fundies AND conspiracy theorists; what a combination...

      Claudia - 2012-02-20 14:27

      What a load of hog!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no matter where you go YOU decide for yourself what you take out of it! my son has gone to Ramfest since he was 18 and by no means is he satinistic! and christians want to know why youngsters run away from the church, it's because they are closed minded hypocrites!

      Saffa - 2012-02-20 14:48

      The Catholic Church will be providing the crack cocaine.....and the CIA might brainwash a few of the participants....Father Xmas won't be attending, but the tooth fairy will make an appearance. What a load of fundamentalist cr@p. These people aren't Christians - they are brainwashed morons.

  • customdesign - 2012-02-20 12:46

    Whoever sent that chain mail is a liar and it is not very Christian of them to do so. They should be ashamed of themselves for lying in God's name. People like that do a lot of damage under the guise of being do-gooders. They should just chill, and maybe get themselves a pack of cigarettes and a six pack of beer.

      J-Man - 2012-02-20 15:18

      "They should be ashamed of themselves for lying in God's name." Whats the (real) difference between them and other religious folk?

  • Donald - 2012-02-20 12:46

    "This festival is organised by satanists and an illuminati-movement" People would fall for this if it were 1612, and not 2012.... ignorant 'Christians' at it again.. wtf?

  • dracolusus - 2012-02-20 13:02

    Will these people please give it up!!! This crap happened with Devil Driver as well...ITS PATHETIC!!! SAVE YOURSELVES, WE DON'T NEED "SAVING"!!!

  • Fredster - 2012-02-20 13:09

    I agree. DO not give Satan the passanger seat, cause just now, he will want to drive....

      Graeme - 2012-02-20 13:18

      Don't force your religious beliefs on me, it's far from christian like. You guys keep going on about free will, maybe you should start allowing free will to exist. Hypocrite.

      Graeme - 2012-02-20 14:14

      Of course Fred, you have the choice of not going if you don't want to, you may even choose to go if you so wish, that's YOUR choice. However, when you boycot a concert and it's cancelled you take away MY abillity to choose, I will not have the option available to me the way you do. Duh!

      Fred - 2012-02-20 14:26

      @Graeme Really! You cannot expect a Christian fascist to understand that.

      J-Man - 2012-02-20 15:19

      So Satan is a he? Wow, you always amaze me on how much you know about this stuff..what God thinks and feels, what is right in his mind etc.. Shame.

      Graeme - 2012-02-21 07:52

      Hahaha! Nice one there Fredster! You clearly realised how lame your argument was so you deleted your post! Hahahaha! A man of integrity would have acknowledged his mistake, not you though, you pretend you didn't say anything.

      Frau-Dean - 2012-02-24 11:13

      If you can't spell passenger, God won't love you >.<

  • Dennis - 2012-02-20 13:15

    only Christians believe in Satan. these people are nutso's

      Rudolph - 2012-02-20 15:35

      sorry Dennis, not true. Christians believe in Christ, not Satan.

      Fred - 2012-02-20 15:51

      @Rudolph Well what is all that revelations bollocks all about then? Do you accept your bible as truth or not? Or are you one of the selective (this suits my lifestyle) Christians who pick and choose what to believe?

      Rudolph - 2012-02-20 16:03

      @Fred, we believe there "is" a Satan, we don't believe "in" Satan. I can't believe "in" Satan. I believe there "is" a Julius Malema, but I don't believe "in" is capabilities.

      Claudia - 2012-02-20 16:06

      Rudolf if you guys don't believe in Satan, then what is all this crap about???? It can't be satanistic if you don't believe in satan... Right? Right!! Oh and by the way as I said to Gloria, I'll say to you as well, I'll see you in hell, because according to the "christian" belief you aren't allowed to tattoo your body, as it is also APPARENTLY the sign of the devil! My god you guys are full of crap! SERIOUSLY!!!

  • Werner - 2012-02-20 13:18

    Will the burning of christians take place at Ramfest this year?

      Gloria - 2012-02-20 13:40

      No. But Satan is going to love toasting YOUR ass!

      Fred - 2012-02-20 14:27

      @Gloria Answer me this, I'm curious. 1. Hell is a place of eternal punishment and torture. 2. God is all-loving and all-good. 3. A God that has these properties (from 2) would not send people to Hell. 4. Therefore, either Hell does not exist or God does not exist. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. - Revelation 20:10 If the Devil is thrown into the Lake of Fire, and defeated forever, who runs Hell for eternity afterwards?

      Fred - 2012-02-20 15:51

      Silly me. Of course they never have answers - just blind faith.

      Claudia - 2012-02-20 15:53

      Yep Gloria, you the type christian freak i speak about, you not supposed to cast stone whatever, so i suppose I'll see you in hell!

      Rudolph - 2012-02-20 16:16

      @Fred, there is an inherent problem with your question. let me try to explain, but my knowledge is finite, and God is infinite. When you talk about eternal punishment and torture, you have an idea created by e.g. pow's, or movies like Saw. God is in no mood to torture people as you think torture may mean. Hell in essence is the absence of God, same as cold is the absence of heat. We believe that God doesn't want you to go to hell. He sent his Son Jesus to die, so that you and I don't have to go to hell. Christianity is very inclusive but also very exclusive. Everyone is welcome to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior (inclusive), but it's also very exclusive(only those who accept Christ as Lord and savior can be saved). God loves you Fred, you need to accept that. He wants you to spend eternity with Him. Hell is not a place He will send you. You choose to go.

      shaine.gordon - 2012-02-24 21:14

      So basically hell is awesome, where we get to do what we want, without that contradictory prick Yahweh interfering with my will? Sign me up!!!!

  • Princess - 2012-02-20 13:34

    Now I've heard it all

  • vaughan.greene - 2012-02-20 13:50

    Thank you at least I am not the only one that stopped beleving in fairy tails when I grew up.

      Dumisani - 2012-02-21 13:55

      The only fairy tale is the one about the earth just farting itself out

  • Johnny - 2012-02-20 13:50

    Makes me think of The Vandals song: "I don't want to go to heaven, its full of pricks like you."

      Eric - 2012-02-20 15:14

      Couple of crackpots on both of your lists - how did you decide who fitted on which side?

      Fred - 2012-02-20 15:48

      @Eric We according to Christians only those who "adopt Jesus as their personal saviour" or some such mumbo-jumbo go to heaven. All the rest go to hell. Jeffrey Dahmer, for instance became born again on death row, was executed for his foul deeds but still therefore went to to heaven. All the rest of the heaven bunch qualified as well in one way or another. None of the guys in the second list qualify for public pronouncements of piety and love for jesus. I certainly do not qualify for heaven because I don't believe jesus even existed, let alone accept that any gods were not man made. QED.

      Stuka - 2012-02-21 08:55

      @Fred, Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer - On November 28, 1994, he was beaten to death by an inmate at the Columbia Correctional Institution, where he had been incarcerated...oops

  • Compos - 2012-02-20 14:06

    Let us burn the ignorant for a change. Will have a constant bonfire going. Stupid people.

      Fred - 2012-02-20 14:29

      We could also sacrifice a goat at the same time and call it a religious ceremony.

  • jared.carneson - 2012-02-20 14:25

    Please this is such a transparent publicity stunt. What a load of crap, i can literally hear the organisers oozing the marketing spin in their boardroom "like ya i know we have to down size the festival in Bloem how about we say that its like cos of Christian fundamentalists saying the organisers are like into Satan and like the illuminati, wait I know someone at News24...” For me it’s the inclusion of the illuminati that gives it away as PR crap.

      Fred - 2012-02-20 15:57

      According to the report it was the sky daddy believers who claimed "This festival is organised by satanists and an illuminati-movement! One only needs to look at RAMfest's logo to see the occult signs". Many Christians, and especially the American Jesus variety, love Satan/Illuminati conspiracy.

  • Eric - 2012-02-20 15:11

    The lizards are coming back - perhaps they are already in Bloemfontein?

  • J-Man - 2012-02-20 15:20

    What a bunch of sad and lonely T*ssers.

  • Jason Thornton - 2012-02-20 16:14

    I wish I could find the person that started this e-mail, take their computer/laptop, and beat the religion right out of them.

  • michael.hall2 - 2012-02-20 16:37

    I'm sorry but where is the Satanic symbolism on the Ramfest page? All I see is an assortment of imagery that could be used as the logo for most pubs in the United Kingdom for the last 600 years. Rams, Wild Boar, Pikes with heads on them. Heads mounted on Pikes are a very very Christian tradition. Running from the Anglo Saxons all the way through to The english civil war.

      cathygradwell.naude - 2012-02-21 21:03

      Thank you Michael.....Some people see imagery all over the place. The swastika for instance is seen as inherently evil yet hundreds of years before the Nazi's it was a peaceful Hindu symbol! Pin your bad thoughts on a sign, symbol or pure imagery..... at the end of the day it's YOUR actions, YOUR thoughts...... that dictate YOUR believes. I wear a Pentacle Necklace to make public my Mother Nature beliefs. How many of you will declare me a Satanist without ever Knowing me? Judge me on this comment and you are condemend to being an arrogant, ignoranist, judgemental individual> What exactly will you you do when I arrive to help you when you need help? There are many beliefs in this world! Do not belittle one because it it not your own.....you never know when you may need them!

  • NickvanderLeek - 2012-02-20 17:43

    only in Bloem

  • rory.crouch - 2012-02-20 18:55

    Guys why you all so agro man, maybe you should all skip Ramfest and listen to some Enya!

  • andrewradue - 2012-02-20 19:05

    “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

      Claudia - 2012-02-21 14:57

      How awesome is that!xxxx

  • Alan - 2012-02-20 20:50

    same damn reason Devil Driver was canceled...stupid ignorant people..research is key..since Devil Driver has nothing to do with satanism. it is the title a book that was given out during the witch hunting ages, and gave help on driving the "devil" away....fools...

  • Charl - 2012-02-20 20:55

    "People will however find Satan..." and it has become easier than ever before! Society has become so desensitized, ignorant & naive they wouldn't even know 'evil' if it slapped them right upside the head! Occult symbols and their meanings were NOT determined by Christians as it has been around since the ancient Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Asians, etc. (how old is paganism??). Christians, however, know the meanings and what it represents. Are we the brain washed ones? You've become so blind you don't even notice these things anymore! MK and MTV (just to name the obvious) are flooded with occult imagery. You don't have to look far to find PROOF of the existence of the occult in 'secret' (not anymore) societies. Who in today's day & age can deny the existence of the illuminati, freemasonry, heretics, magicK, witchcraft, alchemy, etc? You can bet your ass satan's behind the scenes. You have Google, USE IT! Cross reference it if you will... And I pity the fools who have nothing more original to add to the "Christians are hypocrites" crock! I thank God that there are still people out there that stand up for what they believe in. I'm AGAINST child abuse, rape, murder, animal abuse, bestiality, paedophilia, necrophilia... AND I WON'T SHUT UP ABOUT IT! Do what YOU want, in the privacy of your own home. I don't want my children exposed to sick things that have become 'acceptable' or soon will be. You want some answers? http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/answers.html

      mbossenger - 2012-02-20 21:44

      "I'm AGAINST child abuse, rape, murder, animal abuse, bestiality, paedophilia, necrophilia" - who here has indicated they are in favour of any of htese things? Are you implying people who listen to hard rock / metal are child abusers and repists?

      Charl van Eyssen - 2012-02-20 22:07

      Nooo, I'm just giving an example of what so many people see as hypocritical (speaking out against things that we have a problem with). I don't have problem with rock music, but I definitely have a problem with the lyrics in so many rock songs that so frequently glorify the devil. Since ACDC, KISS, Rolling Stones, Metallica, those are old school. But I just had a look at In Flames images to get background about one of the headliners: 666, baphomet, and stuff like that. That's a bit disturbing.

      Claudia - 2012-02-21 12:10

      I would be very careful Charl,if I was you, look how many priests have abused kids, last year over 2000 alone, look how many so called pastors have had affairs , and then they blame the devil for it, look how many pastors and their wives drive the best cars while some of there congegration has to walk to church and they say that the goverment is corrupt, people should look at the churches. do you know charl, almost a decade ago I was involved in the church and got totally screwed over, like by telling me to cover my tattoos, park my car around the corner because we had special guests coming and my car was rusted and old! the worst of it was, seeing the young ones having to walk from the closest location in the rain to get to church and then the "oh so great" pastor asking them to give as much as they can because God will bless them! I tried sooo hard to look past the obvious double standards, by seeing if that was the only church who was behaving like that, BUT UNFORTUNATELY NOT, I did my homework and decided to have my own relationship with Him and I AM AT LAST VERY HAPPY! My son loves his death metal, I'm not crazy about it but then he isn't crazy about my music but guess what, he is one of the most amazing kids that goes to collage does incredibly well, does not do drugs, has amazing friends and girlfriend that I love as my own, but I think the saddest thing is,is when we go out, wherever we go it's people like you that can't stop staring! YOU SHOULD SHUT UP ABOUT IT!!!!!!

      Claudia - 2012-02-21 14:34

      @ gloria, "No. But Satan is going to love toasting YOUR ass!" this is what my statement was about, not Werners, but hey whos the mushroom now? God bless! hahahaha!

      Gloria - 2012-02-21 14:56

      @ Claudia, Sorry but cannot argue with a mushroom....

      kerry.malyon - 2012-02-21 15:12

      What makes christians hypocritical is that they are generally the most conniving and manipulative people - ever heard the saying "practice what you preach"? Well, christians dont do this. Best example: if christians were such good people why do they go around bashing other religions (no doubt every christian here will comment now saying they do not do this). People who rape, murder etc do not then turn around and go and commit this crime hence they are not hypocrits. I was raised catholic and had all the mumbo jumbo thrown down my throat - I never agreed with this & am now agnostic - i believe in a higher power, some call it god, ala, buddha, etc. - its all the same thing - i do not believe in religion - IT IS MAN MADE. That said however, I do not care what the next person believes in and wouldnt diss them for their beliefs but my belief is my personal choice - I have muslim friends, jewish friends, christian friends (not the preaching kind but the kind that also attend rock festivals), hindu friends & atheist friends. My son is almost 4 and not baptized as that would be hypocritical of me if i did it-I also will teach him about all religions so he can have his own choice regardless of what I believe in. So if you do not wish to attend a rock festival as it is in your mind *sigh* satanic then dont attend but keep your views to yourself. @ Claudia - Remember the bible says "ye are all sinners" - lashing out maliciously at Gloria is a sin.......some food for thought.....

      kerry.malyon - 2012-02-21 15:14

      Sorry my last comment on my post was aimed at Gloria not Claudia.

      Gloria - 2012-02-21 15:54

      @Kerry - did I in any way mention anything about the concert? Oh, ok? ***I am only hearing little crickets in the background** My point to Werner was and still is, it is wrong to want to burn Christians man. Why??? Because it is WRONG! Just because of one silly person that sent out the email in the first place?? Does that make all Christians bad and stupid in our eyes and wanting to burn innocent people (christians)?? Sounds violent to me? The post is about a concert venue that was cancelled due to an email that is doing the rounds that was sent out by a Christian? So now we are ending up debating if there is a God or not, or who believes in Satan etc. etc. etc. or who is a Mushroom?? I personally believe that they should go ahead with the concert, but do you have to burn a couple of Christians in the process?? So standing up to Werner telling him that the devil is going to toast his ass is wrong, but it is ok for him to say let's burn Christians. It was a sick comment and he got a sick answer from me, so why get involved?

      Claudia - 2012-02-21 16:55

      Gloria you telling us "not to take your comment seriously" then why are you taking Werners comment that seriously can you not see the humor that Werner has used? I can imagine Werner sitting back and wetting himself laughing at this silly little person that is jumping up and down about a comment he made!Well Werner, all I can say is well done you got the reaction you were looking for!!!

      Gloria - 2012-02-21 17:19

      @Claudia - Where did I mention not to take my comment seriously?? And no, mocking and speaking bad about God and Christians and wanting to burn Christians is no joke to me, maybe you should take the venue being cancelled for the concert as a joke, hey Claudia??

      Claudia - 2012-02-22 12:37

      @Gloria maybe you should pray to God for more patience and tolerance... and maybe a sense of humour?

  • Nicola Erasmus - 2012-02-20 22:53

    I was sixteen when an eccentric substitute English teacher threw her poetry handbook out the window and instead handed out the lyrics to Metallica's One. My perspective of old school rock was changed forever. No longer would I flinch at the mere mention of hell in the lyrics but instead I will listen for the metaphor it represents. And yes, nearly 80% of the time that lyrics you deem blasphemous are just that, a poetic metaphor for war, death, etc. Today, rock music is revered in the same way as classical music in our house. It just shows again how a simple email can pray on the fears of people by just saying the "right things". I'm sure the damn thing probably also ended with something like "forward this email and God will bless you". You're already blessed you don't need some insecure individual's vindictive message to ensure that.

      Charl van Eyssen - 2012-02-21 07:29

      No one can argue with the artistic excellence and talent that exists in the rock community. With regard to the lyrics in countless rock ballads, they're just metaphors with deeper meanings that are meant to be just that, artistic works of art. But with so many more, unfortunately, they say exactly what they mean. Like 'the devil takes care of his own'. That's a popular song playing all over the radio. Just saying, evil is NOT behind EVERYTHING, it just helps to be vigilant.

      kerry.malyon - 2012-02-21 15:20

      Agreed Nicola - if people actually stopped to listen to the lyrics of most rock/metal bands they would realise how meaningful they actually are.

  • Michael Moreau - 2012-02-20 23:50

    Are you kidding me!? This is preposterous. Oh I play on my guitar with a lot of distortion and enjoy screaming into my mic, excuse me for being satanistic. Are you actually out of your mind? If this isn't stereotyping then I don't know what is. RAP Music, if anything, is much worse than hard rock and roll. People who start nonsense like this are only seeking attention and have nothing better to do with their time. I'm a Christian, full on, born again, and this is complete nonsense. Whoever started this needs to get a life.

      myLeftnut - 2012-02-21 10:19

      Mike, its not the christians at fault in this case. Support you 100%, its the fact that the Uni folded under one email..

  • ellisbrownellis - 2012-02-21 01:39

    Thank 'God' I'm an atheist!

  • Trevor - 2012-02-21 06:23

    LMAO...this is funny, "Christians" making an ass of themselves here in the name of God.Before another "Christian" banters on,just remember, more people have died at the hands of Christianity than ANY other religion and they STILL dieing every single day. You can play both sides of the fence with religion but in the end, religion is a personal matter so think before you bible bash others and live by the rule set-out in the Christian Bible, DO NOT JUDGE OTHER PEOPLE OR,YOU WILL BE JUDGED! Matthew 7:1

      Charl van Eyssen - 2012-02-21 06:54

      I agree 100% with 'DO NOT JUDGE...' But your statement 'more people have died at the hands of Christianity than ANY other religion' is a MYTH!! Do yourself a favour and READ THE FACTS here http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atrocities.html

      myLeftnut - 2012-02-21 10:15

      Charl, seriously, stop promoting your Propaganda site.. Trevor is right: More people have died in the name of God than any other authority. Hitler didn't even come close to you guys. Inquisition, Templars, Middle east, etc etc... always in the name of God. would be interesting to find stats ...

      shaine.gordon - 2012-02-24 21:27

      and hitler was a self professed Catholic

  • Charl van Eyssen - 2012-02-21 07:01

    'The UFS, however, says it's simply because the correct protocol was not followed.' Why complain about the stupid email? The show will go on!

  • lotz.ilse - 2012-02-21 08:04

    Good grief. Only in South Africa will a chain email from paranoid fascists result in a venue cancellation...

  • myLeftnut - 2012-02-21 10:06

    Guys, you're looking at hte wrong picture here: Don't blame a single moron with access to email. Blame the Dean and the University for not investigating and supporting youth culture and a rock festival. Seriously... you going off at the wrong people. Hell, I hate Sheepherders as much as the rest of you, but seriously, if it takes one email to sway an apparently intelligent community of people who run the university, then imagine we could probably claim that the Dean and his event organizers are Nazi sympathizers for driving Audi's, BMW's and Merc's. Right?! I think I'm gonna start that chain mail... WHO'S WITH ME! MWAHAHAAHAHAHa.... ps: Hail Santa!

      shaine.gordon - 2012-02-24 21:29

      This is because the Dean and University are also a bunch of sheeple, not wanting to "upset" their community.

  • Krin2943 - 2012-02-21 10:22

    So what....Only Christians are allowed to have fun???

      myLeftnut - 2012-02-21 11:07

      Yes. Its gods will.

  • Christelle Stander - 2012-02-21 10:38

    Christians would not know what satanism was if it possessed them and made them bite their own butts. History has proven it over and over again. We're all pink on the inside. Satanist, atheist and christian alike. So why oh why not grant those 'less holier than thou' the opportunity to see some of the greatest musicians alive today? I mean, we let you go to heaven, don't we? ;)

      Ben - 2012-02-21 17:05

      so idee hulle gaan my omsent brief nou nou delete. hahah! God het jou lief christelle stander!!!!! LIEF!!!! Hahahahaha!!!!!

  • Gerhard Blackdeath Buys - 2012-02-21 13:56

    You Christians are making a mockery of God Allmighty! Look at your own lives and you'll find Satan holding your hand! I'm almost too ashamed to call myself a christian because of the way you go about bashing everyone with your bibles! I'm a Metalhead, and a christian, and you can say all you want about me, but thank God I'm not a blind idiot! You bible slingers are the reason the world hates christians! Where's your compassion? Why aren't you turning the other cheek. You should be ashamed of yourselves! I'll be praying for YOUR souls, you poor moronic, misled psuedo-christians! On a different note, can't wait to see In Flames again!!! See you metalheads in the pit!

      blackbeard.reyneke - 2012-02-21 14:11

      True that!

  • kerry.malyon - 2012-02-21 14:38

    OMG!! Seriously?! I personally cant wait for RAMfest - gonna be rocking \m/ As for the logo......its a Ram, you know male sheep - we get those on earth as well - does this bored christian letter writer know that - just cos a metophorical book called the bible says a Ram is an occult sign doesnt mean anyone who uses the picture thinks that, do all christians start praying when they see a real ram? "People will however find Satan everywhere they look for him." - loved that comment....

  • Dane - 2012-02-21 14:44

    InFlames are gonna ROCK JHB!!! \m/

      kerry.malyon - 2012-02-21 15:17

      Praise Satan......muhahahahaha! ;)

      Gloria - 2012-02-21 16:14

      @ Kerry, Wow! Nice example for a 4 year old?

      kerry.malyon - 2012-02-21 17:14

      Awesome hey Gloria!!!! Didnt realise christians dont understand when one is being facetitious - do they only know hypocrisy!? As Claudia said earlier god bless ;)

      Gloria - 2012-02-21 18:07

      @Kerry - Only time will tell, funny that you still dont get it?? Enjoy your concert, hope your mocking of God and all praises to Satan is worth it.

      kerry.malyon - 2012-02-22 13:33

      Gloria - what you haven't read correctly in my last posts, obviously in your haste to bash everyone that isnt christian, is that I am agnostic - I only believe in a higher power, i do not believe in/of satan - I believe people create their own hell based on the lives they lead. Therefore I do not worry about what I say in jest as I know I live a wholesome happy life. Judge your own actions and quit judging everyone else - typical christian character trait.

  • Ben - 2012-02-21 16:57

    Liewe broers en susters van die Donker Prins. (Hail!) Vir te lank is ons enkele sentimeters weg van ons finale ideaal af…- Invloed en beheer van die volle “Land van die uitverkorene” (spoeg) Hierdie mylpaal sou al jare gelede in ons hande gewees het as dit nie was vir die laaste van sy volgelinge in Bloemfontein nie. Hulle is sterker as wat ons gedink het. Maar almal het hulle breekpunt….

      Ben - 2012-02-21 16:58

      1. Operasie “Intrek” loop beter as aanvanklik beplan. Die aantal kinders en grootmense wat deur musiek en TV programme in ons prins se koningkryk getrek word is besig om toe te neem. Mooi werk!

      Ben - 2012-02-21 17:13

      2. Soos julle weet het ons vanaf middel laas jaar saam gesmelt met die broers van die Illuminati. Sommige van julle was hierteen gekant maar dit was ongelukig onvermeidelik in die huidige finasiële klimaat. In die woorde van Adolf “You gotta do what you gotta do” … Dus moes ons sekere veranderinge maak aan operasie “Ramfest”. Basies die “bottomline” is ….Minder orgies. Meer geld. Die fees sal nou 1 dag wees en duurder wees… Ja ek weet hoe julle hieroor voel maar dit is maar net hoe dinge loop. Aan die plus kant…Hulle het ons die embleem laat hou. Ons het 2 van ons ontwerpers “laat gaan” omdat hulle agterlosig geraak het met die simboliek en okkultiese tekens… Komaan mense! Ruk julle self reg. n Adelle en haar vriendin het dit gespot en maak nou n groot bohaai deur n pyn in die gat chain email. Maar sover gelukig lyk dit net asof hulle gaan bid en niks eet nie. So ons is cool….vir nou. (sien angehegde mail)

      Ben - 2012-02-21 17:14

      3. Vir Bloemfontein was ons plan om swakker lineup te bied sodat daar meer sex plaasvind en meer gedrink word. Die ander stede is klaar ons sin.

  • Ben - 2012-02-21 17:38

    Well I think the FAIL award for this post goes to....GLORIA!!!! Give her a round in the head!!

      Gloria - 2012-02-21 18:00

      @Benladin. Dit is jou lewe en jou opinie. Moet nie huil eendag as jou kinders "meer seks het en doodgaan van aids of verongeluk omdat hulle te veel gedrink het nie", then you will put 5 rounds in your own head idiot!

      Loki.god.of.awesome - 2012-02-23 14:27

      It always amazes me that people think calling someone's statement an opinion somehow makes it less valid. And then you go and paint mental imagery of his children dying? Where is the Christianity in this?

  • cathygradwell.naude - 2012-02-21 20:47

    Oh PLEASE! The devil is simply an excuse for people not to take responsibility for their actions! "The devil made me do it!" Yeah Right

  • Gareth Anderson - 2012-02-21 21:08

    God is a CONCEPT by which we measure our faith.

  • kuuryovari - 2012-02-22 08:26

    The Illuminati!?! HAHAHAHAHA! I think these people should focus their energy on more important things. They spend more time looking for satan than what 'satanists' do. Truly ridiculous.

  • Tiaan Müller - 2012-02-24 12:55

    As jy die duiwel om elke hoek en draai soek sal jy hom vind...

  • GavynnSynn - 2012-02-24 13:08

    This would be so funny if it wasn't pathetic and nauseating. I personally know several jesusists who attend Ramfest for the sole purpose of enjoying the music for what it is, and just having a good time! They don't suddenly turn into cannibals who sodomise cats and murder their grannies. If one plays Black Sabbath backwards, you apparently get satanic messages.....so if you play Steve Hofmeyer backwards do you get potjiekos recipes?????? You fanatics really need to find a hobby or something constructive to do with those fertile little imaginations of yours. Or maybe Ramfest is reviled due to the fact that the admission fee isn't going into the pockets of your pastors/priests/ministers/reverends or whatever??? The same thing went down during the whole church vs. Harry Potter dabacle. What on earth is so sinister about a little boy entering a magical world where people fly about on broomsticks and friendly giants walk around, while all the while good triumphs over evil?.......the evil is in your HEADS!....so instead of tossing that roll of notes into the collection box on Sunday to absolve you of all your supposed sins.....use the cash to hire a THERAPIST!

  • JohanNel1988 - 2012-02-29 12:07

    "It's in my hands The sky, so bright It's burning It's for me to decide If flames will reach heaven tonight It's in my hands" ...I can't wait to see In Flames!

  • derius - 2012-02-29 15:27

    Ahahahah this is so funny! Thank you all for making my day! You sound like a bunch of pre-schoolers arguing over who's dad is the biggest!! All I know is RAMfest is going to kick ass and the people that dont agree with it is not going to be there so who cares!?!?

  • Jacques - 2012-03-08 11:00

    I did not arrange anything?????? maybe we can get the Jews to fight over the entry fee and the Catholics to fight over the little boys?

  • theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-10-02 19:08

    OMG lol bunch of idiots... These band aren't Norwegian Black Metal bands... while Juanita Du Plessis sings Ahadi hoi scarumba which means "I want intercourse with a penguin" in Greenland.

  • clare.rhyn - 2012-11-27 14:10

    You are aware that Satanism and the Illuminati have nothing to do with each other. I wish that people would know what they were talking about before they attack it! Christians, you want people to join you and get into a relationship with God, stop doing stupid things like this that have no meaning!

  • Gary Leoschut - 2013-03-14 15:12

    To my fellow Christians, Paul Teaches us not to judge those outside(The world), but rather those inside(The Body of Christ). Jesus Christ shall be the Judge of the world, our purpose is only to let them know that Jesus saves. They can choose to except that or not. At the end of it all only the Holy Spirit can convince one of ones sins. Pray for these people that dont believe.

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