Christians squirm over Noah novel

2012-03-05 07:39
Marlene Malan
Cape Town - A story about murder, violence and sex set aboard Noah's Ark during the great flood may upset some Christian readers when it is published in Afrikaans shortly.

Die Arkvaarders (In The Shadow of the Ark), written by Belgian novelist Anne Provoost, was first published in 2001 and has already made international headlines.

The book, which portrays Noah and his sons as murderers and rapists, is part of the high school syllabus in the Netherlands.

American critics such as Harriet Klausner and Faith V Smith said that although the book is well written, "it's not for everyone".

"Provoost's portrayal of these Biblical figures unsettles readers," said Klausner.

The book has been translated into seven languages and has won many literary prizes.

"Bible readers will take offence to the sadistic deeds of murder and violence, as well as the sexual undertone, in the description of life on the Ark during the flood," said Smith.

"It contains sexual detail which could have probably been left out."

Loaded sexual atmosphere

A loaded sexual atmosphere is depicted between Noah's son Ham and Re Jana, a teenager that Ham smuggled onto the Ark.

The story sees the 14-year-old girl bathing Ham and his brothers, Shem and Japhet.

Lesbian relationships and teenage pregnancy are also prevalent in the book.

According to Protea Boekhuis, the publisher of the Afrikaans version, it is possible that the book will be a prescribed reading in South African high schools.

Mr Nicol Stassen, Protea Boekhuis's CEO, said Provoost is one of the most successful youth authors of the Netherlands.

"One of her other books, Vallen (Falling), has been translated into nine languages. A successful film was made of it."

'A literary gem'

According to Mr Izak de Vries, Protea's marketing head, the novel is a literary gem.

"It's for the old and young. I do target adults in my marketing, but look at works such as Die Uurwek Kantel and Toorberg. They aren't books for teenagers, but both sold thousands in schools.

"In South Africa we have so-called "setworks" and then we have books that have been approved for libraries. We do indeed suggest books to the education departments. I will suggest Die Arkvaarders."

Stassen said "There's nothing in the book that young readers haven't seen on TV or in movies. Someone who's surprised by the themes or actions in the book hasn't read a teen book, or any book for that matter, in the last 20 years.

"It's perhaps a good thing if the some of the church elders read the book. In my experience, the people who would complain are those who don't read other books and aren't prepared to listen to others' viewpoints.

"The Bible contains a lot of sex and violence. There's nothing in Die Arkvaarders which isn't in the Bible as well."

'Polluting the holy book'

In contrast, Dr Isak Burger, president of the AGS, complained that the book "pollutes the holy book of Christians.

"It's irresponsible to prescribe such a book to scholars.

"It's disgusting, even though it's fiction. There are no references in the Bible or from any other source that justify this drivel.

"It was this kind of immorality and sexual abuse that led to God flooding the world.

"Because the faithful, just Noah and his family had not yet succumbed to this perverse lifestyle, that is why God chose them." 

(All photos: anneprovoost.be)

Comments

  • Jason - 2012-03-05 07:56

    Well it is about a fictional character so what is the problem, lets face its what is a man a few hundred years old and his sons who are the also a few hundred years old going to rape or murder, but I guess how could they have build an arc at that age anyways, wonder what the min. amount of people it would take to build an arc? I like how cristians say its irresponsible to show such a book to scholars.. yet creationist material is show to scholars as a science...

      Theodor - 2012-03-05 08:14

      They had 900 years peanut. Then the flood to rid the earth from people like you.

      Emile Myburgh - 2012-03-05 08:34

      Theodor, that's nice, 900 years. Do you honestly believe that they were really 900 years old? And I mean 900x365 days (plus the 225 leap days during those 900 years). And the flood, where did the water come from and where did it go? And how did the sea water fish survive with so much fresh water? Were there sharks in the ark? Or did god save them? That's the problem with religion, it stops critical thinking.

      Jason - 2012-03-05 08:36

      Theodor that is mighty christian of you!

      Theodor - 2012-03-05 08:41

      You assume that I'm a Christian because I speak the truth?

      Alan - 2012-03-05 08:47

      @Emile If you have ever studied the Bible, you will understand that the account of Creation were the writings used in the times as way of explaining Creation to the humans of the time. The Bible needs to be understood as a Living Word, and in context of the times. What was prophesied, came to happen. A good starting point for you would be to start with the New Testament Gospels, which were accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus. A good book to read is "Who moved the Stone", written by a lawyer who set out to disprove God, and he ended up with the utter conviction that the opposite was true.

      Emile Myburgh - 2012-03-05 08:55

      I read the bible many times over and came to the conclusion that it was a bunch of horrendous tales about an ancient tribe who knew nothing of science and tried to explain things like the origin of the earth.

      Theodor - 2012-03-05 08:57

      @Emile Myburgh. Your asking the wrong questions, it only has assumptions in it. If you read the bible it states the water (fresh water, not salt water)came out of the deep (the earth) and also a canopy above the earth. You assume the water was salty, but the saltiness came because of the flood.I don't do religion, stop mixing it up...you don't have a faintest idea what your confused mind is thinking.Look around you and tell me : ) Did everything really exist out of nothing?????

      Jason - 2012-03-05 09:11

      Here is an argument I get all the time, prove that it didn't happen, you can't just as it can't be proved that it did. If you look at what the bible claims happened around Noah's ark.. Noah age is one of the more likely things. Collect all the animals 2 / 7 depending on what part of the bible you reading. Bring them to the middle of desert and put them on the ark. Don't forget about the complex diets involved, temp. of the desert the humidity and methane inside the ark.. We won't even bring the Creationist Dinosaurs idea into this already impossible task. What about the danger posed by many of these animals been transported from all over the world never forgetting this been done by a man several hundred years old. Soon as you seriously look at the logistics involved you realize it isn't possible.

      Emile Myburgh - 2012-03-05 09:17

      Theodor, really??? Wow. I always thought the seas became salty because of rocks and minerals dissolved in it over billions of years. Funny, the bible says nothing about the water turning salt afterwards. Nevertheless, how did the canopy stay suspended in the air?

      Jason - 2012-03-05 09:21

      Theodor you really believe that everything was created in 7 days "No proof other than ancient texts to this" and man was created then woman from Adam's rib they lived in a lovely garden but a talking snake messed up everything by convincing eve to eat a fruit. Maybe science will find a snake with a voice box.

      Jeeves - 2012-03-05 12:40

      Bwahahahaha. Troll book achieves objective. For thou art all troll bait.

  • bizarro.jerri - 2012-03-05 08:12

    It's the Costa Concordia all over again...

  • bella.koekelies - 2012-03-05 08:14

    2Peter 3:3 - in the last days mockers will come, walking after their own lusts vs9 - The Lord is not slow concerning his promise (to come again), as some count slowness, but is patient with us,not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. vs10 - but the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night

      CombiChrist - 2012-03-05 12:20

      @eposza - thx for giving me so much credit :-)

      Fred - 2012-03-05 13:06

      @CombiChrist There are sure some religiously brain addled twits here. Hardly worth a comment. What they post themselves reveals just how ludicrous and poisonous religious belief is.

      Nicola Erasmus - 2012-03-05 13:44

      @eposza: "Goth" is a movement not a religion! And what the *peep* "indutrial"? If you want to participate in this age old debate, I suggest you brush up on your trivia first. Just because my religion is not the same as yours it doesn't mean that I advocate rape, violence and propaganda. Christianity is not the only religion that condemns these acts in fact, I know of no religion on earth that condones it. I haven't read the book and frankly I don't think its my cup of tea, there for I won't raise my opinion on what I think of it passed the point that I would probably "squirm" myself if my kids brought it home as part of their homework. The objective lies with you as a parent to learn your kids the moral skills they need from a young age, to judge between right and wrong, to have respect for themselves and others and yes, that includes tolerance for other peoples' beliefs too.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-05 16:59

      Well done Bella, you are judging others, which your book of spells says is wrong.

  • robert.cerff - 2012-03-05 08:15

    "The Bible contains a lot of sex and violence. There's nothing in Die Arkvaarders which isn't in the Bible as well." That pretty much says it all really. Isn't that just telling it like it is/was?

      Theodor - 2012-03-05 08:18

      The bible does not condone these acts, but holy living before a Holy God.

      Emile Myburgh - 2012-03-05 08:28

      Yet the bible condones slavery, and wife beating, and murder of disobedient sons (refer to Deuteronomy).

      Mandu Ngcobo - 2012-03-05 08:29

      Theodor, the bible does condone acts of murder, rape, slavery etc. God even commits these atrocities himself. Read it for yourself and you'll find many examples.

      Alan - 2012-03-05 08:29

      Really Robert - you are clearly just making a statement without any understanding of the Bible, or the context of the times. Everybody is entitled to their opinions, but please refrain from commenting on something that is foreign to you.

      Alan - 2012-03-05 08:38

      @Mandu - enlighten me where God does these things? Another Troll comment!

      Theodor - 2012-03-05 08:39

      @Emile Myburgh Give chapter and verse please? If you read it, you would not have taken it out of context.

      clivecorbz - 2012-03-05 08:47

      @Alan... Since this book is about the Ark... how's about that as an example... when he murdered the entire world excl one family...

      Alan - 2012-03-05 08:54

      @Clive. My understanding is that there was flood, which to the people at the time appeared to cover what they thought was the earth. The Old Testament contains a lot of what people at the time believed and understood, and it is frequently misunderstood by people who have not had an opportunity or interest to study it. See my othjer comments elsewhere re the Gosplels of the New Testament.

      Donna - 2012-03-05 08:54

      lesbian scenes come to mind. these arent in the bible. what should concern us is that this is being considered for children to read. come on ppl - do we really want our children to read these types of books. we are fighting an increasing tide of sexual voilence against our children - do we really need to expose them to this as well?

      Emile Myburgh - 2012-03-05 08:57

      Donna, do you think children dont know about lesbians and what they do? Not reading about homosexuality won't make it go away.

      Theodor - 2012-03-05 09:08

      @Emile Myburgh The more you are faced with it, the more acceptable it becomes.Does brainwashing come to mind??? Probably not hey? : )

      Alan - 2012-03-05 09:10

      *Notes that Mandu does not have an answer.....*

      Jason - 2012-03-05 09:17

      Like or dislike Emile's comment she is right if you read the bible that is fact,murder, rape, slavery are all part of the bible, lets not leave out genocide..

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-05 17:01

      Donna, be careful, even speaking of lesbians may infect you with the Lesbianism. It's contagious, that's why you must beat them with sticks.

  • Fredster - 2012-03-05 08:23

    In the last days there will be scoffers

      Emile Myburgh - 2012-03-05 08:27

      There have been scoffers for the last two thousand years. When exactly will the last days be here now? Aren't you tired of waiting?

      Mandu Ngcobo - 2012-03-05 08:33

      How long are these "last days" going to last exactly?

      Alan - 2012-03-05 08:37

      @Emile ... you are entitled to your opinion, but one thing is for sure - either you, or Christians have got it wrong. If Christians have it wrong - no harm done. If you have it wrong - BIG PROBLEM!

      Emile Myburgh - 2012-03-05 08:41

      Alan, that's a chance I'm willing to take. A life free of bondage from a bronze age, goat herding tribe's religion.

      Alan - 2012-03-05 08:55

      Thats cool Emile - each to their own. You wont ever convince me otherwise though, so let's agree to disagree. Fact remains - one of us has it very wrong.

      Mandu Ngcobo - 2012-03-05 12:27

      Vaal, read the comment I was responding to, please. I'm agnostic btw, not atheistic

      Fred - 2012-03-05 13:11

      @VaalDonkie Your problem is that we understand only too well. You cannot prove that your god exists, You cannot know for certain that your revelation is trust worthy and you have to eventually admit that your beliefs are entirely a faith position, unsupported by any evidence whatsover. You believe because others told you what to believe. You may claim the contrary, but then you are simply speaking from within a deep seated delusion. Alice in Wonderland and the Harry Potter Books are better written and more plausible than the mumbo jumbo you guys peddle. "Don't understand"! Pah!

      Vaaldonkie - 2012-03-05 13:54

      How can you claim to understand the Christian faith if you are demonstrably ignorant of the Doctrine of Salvation? If you don't even know the most prominent and central doctrine of the Christian faith, something that has been around for 2000 years, what grounds do you have for claiming that you understand anything? If you can't even articulate what we are about, how can you dismiss any of our claims?

      Vaaldonkie - 2012-03-05 15:08

      At least we know not to steal the cutlery.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-05 15:46

      Yes and we will be scoffing and drinking while you all run around screaming..

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-05 17:10

      So Alan, you let FEAR guide your choices.

  • Emile Myburgh - 2012-03-05 08:25

    I am getting a copy as soon as it lands.

      Alan - 2012-03-05 08:32

      Yeah - and you can buy yourself a Noddy Badge too.

      Vaaldonkie - 2012-03-05 15:09

      Watch out everyone, we've got a badass!

  • Wally - 2012-03-05 08:31

    Nobody is forcing you - Jason or anyone else - to believe in the Word of God or to accept Christ as Saviour. However, far too often Christians are trampled on for what they believe in, God's Name desicrated, and a way of life compared to a religion or judged on how some ppl act. When comic pic's of a prophet was drawn and published, or not, in Sweden the world had to apologise lest we find ourselves at war with the muslim community. Christians have to accept and respect, and no problem there. This is just another example of double standards. Mock the Christian Faith; mock God; mock Christ; distort the Word of God. It has NO PLACE in a school, not even in a community. We pride ourselves on respect. That is a fallacy. Why not write about a character in the Qu'ran, or from Hindu literature? Why not mock buddha? Why not write fiction about these and others? We have problems with morality in our society, schools even worse! Now you and the rest want to dump these despicable drivel on school children who are more easily influenced; stirring doubt; stirring sexual "undertones". Why does the world bestow accolades upon the writer and this abomination? Because it is so intent on accommodating all but Christian. It is politically correct to desecrate all that is Christian. Strangely enough, 2000 yrs ago Jesus Himself told us this would happen. The ppl mocked Noah until the door of that Ark was locked by God Himself. They had time and would not listen to His call. To God all the Glory.

  • Henry - 2012-03-05 08:41

    How do you mix fiction with truth? Some do not have that capacity to distinguish between the 2. This has to do with people faith and should be treated with care.

  • cronje.fourie - 2012-03-05 08:43

    I have only one question. Would anyone in the world have published this book, or in-fact associated themselves with it, if it was written as a fictional story based on the Qua-ran? Personally I think this is a clear case of double standards that should not be tolerated by any man no matter their religious beliefs.

      zane.zeiler - 2012-03-05 20:57

      FYI, Noah's ark is depicted in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. In fact Noah is seen as one of the most important and influential prophets of all time by Muslims...

  • Donna - 2012-03-05 08:52

    What concerns me is that this type of smut is being considered for children. if it was considered for uni students, then fine - but really? Children??????? and we wonder why there is so much chaos in our land. why dont we just let school children make porns, etc? this, as a parent disguits me. If this is what you choose to read - then go ahead. I choose not.

      Alan - 2012-03-05 09:02

      Well said Donna!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-05 15:47

      Huh? thre is porn in this book? Worse then Huisgenoot??

  • wjonker - 2012-03-05 09:01

    Yeah, like the Bible it is another work of fiction. Like already said the Bible is full of rape, torture, mutilation, genocide, human sacrifice, incest and violence. Yet they read the Bible to children who are not even teenagers yet. What is a child to think of a father who is willing to sacrifice his child because he is hearing voices in his head? Or that a father would give his daughters out to be raped and who later commits incest with said daughters? Not even /b/ can compete with the Bible.

      Alan - 2012-03-05 09:09

      There is no Fiction in the New testament Gospels. Also, because the immorality of the time is written of, in the Bible, how do you progress to the illogical conclusion that it is condoned by God? Excatly the opposite is true if you read and study the Bible.

      Theodor - 2012-03-05 09:14

      You don't know the bible nor the God that created you. Abraham (the man that you are referring to) comes from a pagan background of sacrificing people. He DID NOT sacrifice Isaac, God only tested his faith, because of the promises made to him.Either you are for the God of the Bible or against Him...judgement is coming and you know it

      wjonker - 2012-03-05 10:04

      Why does God need to test someone's faith? Does God not know how much faith Abraham has? If not then God is not omnipotent. If God knows then he is just a bully. The choice is yours, have fun!

  • petrakzn - 2012-03-05 12:55

    The bible is the longest surviving book of all time. It tells the story of man's past and the evil deeds committed and warns us not to do the same but to repent and banish all evil from our lives. We are all saved by the blood of Jesus but you are again warned that if you do not repent, you will burn in an eternal fire!!!!You DO know in yourself when you do something wrong.......that is what guilt is, ask yourself where does that come from? TEH CREATOR OF ALL! Dont tell me you dont believe!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-05 15:50

      No it isn't the longest surviving book of all times! HAhahahaa!! The Sanskrit writings of the Hindu religion as well as ancient Egyptian writings faaaaaaaaaaaar surpass any Christians writings..

  • annemarie.kleynhans1 - 2012-03-05 13:03

    I'm not Christian but I do believe in a higher power (I am pagan), and I also know the difference between right and wrong. I will never allow myself or my children to be influenced by anything that goes against my values. I will never let my kids read this book (not because of the religious connotations), I believe kids must be kids and allowed to be their innocent-selves as long as possible. And another thing, even if you're not religious, you can still have some personal integrity and respect other people's believes.

      Vaaldonkie - 2012-03-05 13:46

      Agreed. One can also have good taste without being religious.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-05 15:51

      As a pagan you would be wise to read the book first before passing judgement no so?

  • Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 14:01

    I find this so amazing reading through all the comments. I am a child of the one and only living God. It is fascinating how people debate about this topic. You do not have to be a christian to know that there is something greater than ourselves. Fact is you cannot go around slandering the name of Jesus and all He is and not expect His people to defend all that He stands for. The sad part is that so few christians still carry the fragrance of God, which is why it is understandable that people think christians are hypocrites, because so many are. Being a christian is so much more than just saying you believe in God and going to church every sunday. I have read all the comments about how bad God and the bible is, and not one of those arguments carry any weight. Do not go around judging God, He is the only judge and you absolutely do not know what the bible says. It doesn't matter how many times you have read the bible or how many scriptures you can quote. Even satan can quote the bible from beginning to end. It is only when you worship God in spirit and in truth that you will understand what it says. The bible can be quoted by anyone, but it was never written for the enemy to understand. God never repented about anything to become a loving God, get that straight. He IS love, that is what He says in the word as well, who would He have repented to???? If you know the bible so well you would also know that it says that He is the same God of yesterday and today and forever more. And you so clearly do not have any idea what the story of Noah is all about. You have the right to question things in the bible, God gave us brains to use, and to question, and to seek Him. He also gave us all free will, nobody can force you to believe in Him, it is your choice. Raising the point of why nobody writes slandering things about mohammed or budah or whatever other god,they won't, why would the enemy use anyone to slander himself??? That is why Jesus is the name that gets people all worked up. There is only ONE God. It doesn't matter if you are an atheist, you can try to convince yourself and the world that you do not believe in Jesus Christ, but deep in yourself you know that when you die, it is not the end, you know in your heart of hearts that there is more to it. That is why God said whoever believes in Him doesn't need to fear death. But if you don't believe..... Everyone is born a child of God, but He gave us the choice to accept Him or not. As for the last days, nobody knows, He said that ONLY the Father knows when the coming will be, but He gave us signs to know when the time is near. God's time is not our time, he doesn't use the measures that we do. You are so easily fooled by statements and questions of why this or why that but you forget that God is not human, He is almighty, there is nothing He cannot do. As for no proof that Jesus ever existed, know this, the bible has NEVER been proven wrong, but it has been proven right over and over again. God is not a hypocrite, He is not a man that he would lie, He said He will come again, and He will come again, and even you who say that He is dead will fall on your knees and confess that Jesus is alive and He is Lord. But I pray that you will come to know the truth before He comes. How do you explain a God of wonders and mysteries? However, the day will come when we will all know the mysteries that lies beyond this world. For now I will keep my faith and believe the word and I will not stop telling people about His love for us. I will defend what He stands for all the days of my life, and that is Righteousness, but I will not judge anyone that doesn't believe in Him, because the fight is not ours, and we should not judge our enemies but bless them. I pray that God will shower you with His love and anointing so you too will know the Glory of God.

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 14:47

      The bible talks about the enemy. Satan, Lucider, the devil, the beast he has many names. I prefer calling him scum.

      Alan - 2012-03-05 15:23

      Amen to that Alida!

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 16:44

      @Garth - I certainly hope that I make religion look as bad as it can! I am not religious, religion is what is driving people to war and away from God. I am not a christian either, christianity has been dragged through the gutter and put on a pedestal for all the world to see, that's why people mock christians, because they are hypocrites, they live filthy lives, and so everything that God is against but show up in church on sunday and pretend to be holy because they believe in God.... Sorry to disappoint you, I am certainly NOT a christian. I am a child of God!! But hey, call me a nut any day, I am proud to be, because I am NUTS about Jesus. And you would be too if you knew Him. (Which you will) ;)

      Mandu Ngcobo - 2012-03-05 18:23

      Alida Swart, do you even know what the definition of religion is? You are so in denial. "Sorry to disappoint you, I am certainly NOT a christian. I am a child of God!!" Which God? Zeus? Horus? Vishnu?

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 19:20

      Mandu Ngcobo!!!!! Ignorance can make you look like a fool. As as said there is only one God. Quite obviously I'm not the one in denial here, I have nothing to doubt because God is real and He is alive. If you don't believe that then surely you are the one in denial. There is nothing you or anyone can say that would place any doubt in me about who God is and whether He truly exists. I truly hope you get to meet Him before its too late, it would be so sad if you were to stand before your Maker and realise you rejected Him. Don't get me wrong, I am not attacking anyone, I am merely speaking the truth. If you find it offensive maybe you should be asking yourself why?

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 21:00

      LOL another one!!! Your on a role here hun, keep going I'm cracking myself up at your statements. Maybe you should rethink what you say cause you are making a fool of yourself. Superstition????? Whahahahahahahaha omw really?? LOL I don't think I even need to go into how ridiculous that sounds. But hey good try though. Hahahahaha

      Phoenix - 2012-03-05 21:04

      Alida, calling people fools and pathetic does not make you come across as a nice person. Same goes for laughing and ridiculing people. How do you think Jesus would have handled this forum? In the way you just did? You should be ashamed of yourself; learn some humulity as per His teachings.

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 23:06

      Why should I be ashamed? Even Jesus called people hypocrites and fools. The bible talks about those kind of people. It is not a person that is a fool or a hypocrite, it is what they do or say that makes them so. Jesus never said go out and be a nice person. He teaches many things, yes humility is one of them. So is faith and righteousness and gentleness and compassion. Being a nice person will certainly not get anyone into heaven. I don't laugh at people or ridicule them. I laugh at how hypocritical they are, it is way better than getting angry about it. But this is just another good example once again. You call me arrogant when I talk about Jesus and who He is,that there is just one God, and believing in any other god is wrong, but yet you want to tell me about how Jesus would have handled a situation?? You need to believe in Jesus to tell me He would have handled it differently, which you clearly don't, because you think me wrong for stating there is only one God and any other god is wrong. Are you not being a hypocrite by doing so? I can tell you I am not one because I am not lead by what this world teaches me but by what Jesus teaches me and where the Holy Spirit leads me. I am not without sin, nobody is, but Jesus died on the cross for our sins so we no longer have to perish but have the chance to repent and be forgiven. What goes beyond me is how people are so easily offended when you talk about Jesus, and they are so quick to attack the children of God with their own versions of the bible. But of all the pathetic arguments that have been raised here I can most certainly say these people do not know the bible, they clearly do not know what it says. It amazes me, because people think God this horrible guy with a rod ready to whip the crap out of anyone who dares to sin. That is NOT God! He is love, He is all that is pure and holy, He is fun and amazing, He is a supernatural God and He loves all people, not just some. God doesn't hate people, He hates sin. He wants us to have life and to experience His love. People do not understand the emmence joy that comes from loving and obeying this powerful God. People do not get why there is an old testament and a new testament, thet don't understand the difference between the two, they do not "get" God. I didn't get to loving Him because of the way I was raised, like I said before, I also rejected Him. But I got to know Him through my own experiences with Him and the encounters I have had. I don't get why people so easily believe what other people tell them, but when God has something to say, they need to have proof of every detail. That is astounding to me.

      Ben - 2012-03-06 12:26

      No spacing no read. Rule....

  • Clive - 2012-03-05 14:18

    Sad state of affairs when writers can't find subjects to write about without having to bring in religion from whichever belief. They are sick

  • Andrew - 2012-03-05 15:16

    whatever sinful acts were going on inside the ark in the fictional work, it surely wouldn't compare to the horror going on outside the ark according to the biblical story i.e the horrible death by drowning of woman , children and babies (and lets also drown all the animals while we're at it). Why are the religionists so offended by a little lust on a boat in comparison to genocide?

      Vaaldonkie - 2012-03-05 15:28

      How do you define "horrible"?

      Andrew - 2012-03-05 15:36

      tie a bag of cement around your ankles, jump off a pier, and write down your experiences as you sink to the bottom. What you will get is a good description of 'Horrible'

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-05 15:53

      How do you define "stupid question"?

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 16:49

      Genocide????? Really??? You call God a murderer and a liar... God created everything, He can take it away as He pleases.  Does that make Him a hypocrite or a liar?? Before you answer that, give this a second thought.... The bible clearly states that it all started with God, He created the earth and all who live in it.  He is the same God today that He was back then. Therefore, He WAS love, IS love and will always be love. Yes, God did destroy a lot of people in the bible, was it unfair of Him to do so? I think not. Who are we as creation to tell our Creator that He is unfair, when He keeps to His word? God never destroyed anybody that loved and obeyed Him, He destroyed people who rejected Him, spat in His face, cursed Him, and did all that was against Him, after He warned them so many times.  These were people that knew God, and yet rejected Him.  The bible says that God saw every tendency of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. Should He have let them live and affect the rest of the human race to lust and violence and every other sin known, so everyone else could perish and have no chance of redemption ever? That expectancy is what is selfish and self-righteous.  Expecting God to bend at our will and command... COME ON! He is Holy, how can you expect a Holy God to allow sin?  Now THAT would be hypocrisy. And I will say it again, God is NOT a hypocrite, He loves us all, whether you love Him or not, He still loves you.

      mbossenger - 2012-03-05 18:12

      Horrible - drowning everybody and everything (including innocent animals) on earth except Noah's family.

      mbossenger - 2012-03-05 18:14

      Alida - only problem with your argument is that god KNEW everyone would turn against him (what with him being omniscient and all). So apparently god play with loaded dice - creating people knowing they will all sin and then drowning them all when they (surprsie, surprise) sin.

      Andrew - 2012-03-05 18:18

      @alida //God never destroyed anybody that loved and obeyed Him, He destroyed people who rejected Him, spat in His face, cursed Him, // not sure which neighbourhood you live in , but it must be pretty rough if you see babies and children cursing god and spitting in his face. anyway, I have no hope of even debating morality with someone who is ok with wholesale slaughter of children (and sinful animals) so long as it is perpertrated by or in the name of your god.

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 19:55

      You are right indeed. I wouldn't have hope debating with someone who knows the truth either. Because my moral values are so disgusting, that I worship and love God with my entire being rather than being consumed by alcohol and drugs and lust and pornografy and lies, hate and worst of all... Pride. That must make me the worst kind of person there is. And I don't serve just any god... I serve the ONLY God, let me introduce you, His name is Jesus, He created you, and did so with a purpose, but like I said, He gave you a choice. It is not my concern if you reject Him. But at least you know He is real, or your arguments wouldn't make any sense at all. But you are not greater than or even equal to God, just get that, because you accuse Him like you believe you are worthy to. If you seek Him like He said (that is in the Word) you will find the answers and explanations to all your questions. I didn't want to have anything to do with Jesus either, I rejected Him for a long time and I was totaly consumed in this world, but when I started looking for the answers He revealed the truth to me. So I totaly get what your arguments are all about. But sooner or later you will know the truth, I hope for your sake it is sooner.

      Phoenix - 2012-03-05 20:36

      So ALL other religions on earth are wrong but YOU, dear Alida, You are right! Wow the arrogance is astounding.

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 20:53

      Whahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! Yet another pathetic accusation. Thank you dear phoenix I love a good laugh. Just read your own statement sweetie, I am not right, God is, and yes, any other belief is wrong. But go ahead believe what you like, even you, yes you dear will stand before that God one day. Not before me. Hey and I'd sure hate to be in your shoes if you haven't been saved by then. But I'm sure you will. Blessings love xxxx

      Phoenix - 2012-03-05 20:56

      As I say.. astounding arrogance. Its breathtaking.

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 21:11

      Why shouldn't I be? I have right to be arrogant about God, now if it was TO God it would be a different story. Even Paul was arrogant, (I'm sure you don't know a thing about him either). But hey chin up hun, I'll deffinitely be keeping you in my prayers tonight. Remember to smile now, Jesus loves you!!!! Xxx

  • Jason - 2012-03-05 16:26

    Nothing brings out the nutters more than a good old fashioned bible story , long live the nutters keeps everyone entertained for hours

  • Celeste Roth - 2012-03-05 16:31

    I find it disgraceful that they are even considering presenting it to schools. My Christian children should not have to be forced to read a book that slanders God! Bring in pork for the Muslims then and force the Jews to read the New Testament and make the atheists study the Bible. All the same thing if you force anyone to go against their beliefs. Its wrong!

      E - 2012-03-05 17:16

      You assume that the book slanders God. Did you read the article? Have you read the book? I'll bet you are too scared your pure thoughts might be contaminated. The author imagines and presents fictional goings-on in the Ark, based on the framework story as told in the Bible. And that story wasn't even original - the tale goes back several thousand more years, to the Babylonians who told of the adventures of Gilgamesh. Some of the world's best and most interesting literature is based on stories from the Bible - that doesn't mean the authors did (or did not) intend to degrade the mesage of the Bible. Anyway, the book has been available for some time - I bought it at least ten years ago. Why all the upset now? Because it might be prescribed for schools? Please define what you mean by "kids" - 16-18-year-olds are no innocent angels any more - as several comments have pointed out, what is in this book is no different from any modern fiction, includimg Huisgenoot!

      mbossenger - 2012-03-05 18:15

      Many atheists are atheists because they studied the bible

      Phoenix - 2012-03-05 20:38

      Atheism isn't a belief dear, it is the absence of belief and mind control. Please understand the difference.

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 20:45

      Well then atheists must be atheists cause their parents forcefully introduced them to that as well, same goes for satanists and budists and what ever else. What a joke, its a choice, parents can teach their children about Jesus and the bible, just as grown ups can be taught, any human being can decide for themselves what they believe, even a child. And atheists do not become atheists because they read the bible, that would mean that they believed what they read in the first place and decided they didn't like it. And an atheist is a non-believer. Seriously, the reasoning behind the statements made here today are absurd. There is nothing said against God here that can be supported by any facts. This really isn't a joke that so many people know so little about God, but I can't help to laugh at the pathetic reasoning. Really guys, get a real.

      Phoenix - 2012-03-05 20:54

      The only responses that are a joke and pathetic are your responses. Wake up sweetie and release yourself from the mental abuse that is your religion.

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 23:23

      Wow, you really are ignorant. It really doesn't surprise me that a non believer would make such a statement. We can go on about this forever, but there really is no point explaining who God is to someone who's heart is so consumed by darkness. Sorry you didn't get it. Some day you will though.

      Alan - 2012-03-06 08:25

      @MBoss.... yip and many Christians became Christians because they studied the Bible or have had some Divine interventions. Just looking at creation, nature etc., you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that we are just little microbes with very misplaced priorities, and that our understanding of 'our version of the universe' is pathetic. And guess what - in 100 years from now, as far as the world and inhabitants are concerned, you won't even be a memory, and nothing you ever believed or said will have any meaning to the world. You are just passing through in a very very short space in time. Kind of just puts one's little place and importance on this earth into perspective. And when you have had a near death experience like I have, and are only around to tell the story because of the Grace of God, a level of understanding, a view of mortality, and the meaningless of what most humans chase after becomes evident. You are welcome to your opinion (I have been there before too), but realise that people with conviction may be light years ahead of where you are now in your beliefs and understanding. I for one am tolerant of Muslims and other beliefs, but my conviction is with God.

  • Bonham - 2012-03-05 19:56

    I love the way these religious fools delete the comments they don't like. Woof.

      Emile Myburgh - 2012-03-05 22:26

      Agreed. Several of my comments just disappeared.

      Alan - 2012-03-06 08:13

      Yeah Emile - at times even NEWS24 shows a little discernment.

  • Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 20:17

    "The mocker seeks wisdom and finds none, but knowledge comes easily to the discerning". It is not the "religious" people deleting the comments,only a fool would make false accusations and think himself right. There is no point in arguing with the foolish, he who speaks rashly will come to ruin. God will not be mocked. Look at the history of people who mocked God and what happened to them. At least none of these people will be able to say they never knew, because nobody will be sent to hell blindfolded. You know the truth but you reject it.

      Phoenix - 2012-03-05 20:39

      And once again EVERYONE who do not believe what YOU believe are fools. LOL WOW thats amazing.

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 21:17

      Says a fool yet again. It is not cause you do not believe what I believe its because you stare the truth in the face but you are to blind to see it. What I believe doesn't matter. It is the truth that matters. Maybe you are actually a very smart person. But you argue like a fool. You cannot prove God wrong. If you want to argue that, I would sure like to see you try cause you will die trying

      wjonker - 2012-03-05 21:19

      To be called a fool by a Christian has no more punch than a vague sense of misplaced amusement.

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 22:00

      Okay this is getting to the point where people are just being plain freakin brain dead!! What's happening here is exactly what people are doing with the bible. It doesn't matter if its an entire book with detail about everything or a simple paragraph that you give them. They will still only take parts of what was said and try to build a corner stone for an argument. Before you raise a point that sounds smart in your head, make sure you have all the facts, that means taking EVERYTHING that was said into account not just bits and pieces cause your puzzle won't work idiot. Now, if you have actually read anything I said before you started using big words your small mind cannot fathom you would not be calling me a christian. And you are damn right, being called a fool by a christian wouldn't have any more effect than being called a fool by an atheist. But when it is God who calls you a fool, and it still has no effect on you, well then you certainly have a huge problem on your hands

      Phoenix - 2012-03-05 22:28

      Wow you are really NOT a nice person. This is the way God and Jesus wants you to speak? Really???

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-05 23:14

      Okay, so people can go around saying God is dead and Jesus is a liar, and all sorts of horrible things. But when I get defensive (which I have right to) and get upset as a human would because I am not God, I am not a nice person. That's just as well I tell you all sorts of lies and disgusting things about your dad whom I don't even know, but you can't get upset and defend him because then you wouldn't be a nice person (because your dad wouldn't want you to act that way) really??? How can I say that when I just slandered him yet know nothing about him? That would make me the hypocrite

      Phoenix - 2012-03-05 23:32

      No you are not a nice person because of your attitude. Calling people stupid, ignorant, pathetic and alll the other hateful words you used makes you not a nice person. You can defend your beliefs while remaining respectful. You come across as a horrible human, and I am really sorry to say that.

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-06 00:25

      How shocking. Sorry you feel that way, your opinion really doesn't matter, because it is not the truth. You assume I have a horrible attitude because of the way you interpret what I write. These kind of topics really shouldn't be discussed in writing because you really have no way of knowing how a person is trying to bring a message across. I get why you think I've got an attitude, but if you actually knew me you would have known that even the harshest things I say I say with gentleness, an yes even when I said that guy was being an idiot, I didn't say it in anger but in awe. Even God knows how ignorant and idiotic people can get. Yeah maybe He would have chosen a different word, but He gets why I said what I said. People don't listen when you raise your voice or if you try a violant approach. That is why I kept saying I am not attacking anyone. It really doesn't matter anyway. You have your opinion of what was said and I won't try and prove otherwise, I know who I am in Christ and who He is and what the truth is. The rest really doesn't matter to me.

      Alan - 2012-03-06 08:12

      Well Alida - I think you rock, and I think your Faith rocks! Sadly, it's pretty hard to have an intelligent debate with people who have some preconceived ideas without any knowledge as backing. Hopefully, somebody 'got it' thoiugh!

      Bob - 2012-03-06 10:12

      holy poo Alida are you for real? posting comments at 12.30 in the morning just to call people ignorant, pathetic and foolish for not believing in your crazy myths. People often turn to insulting their opposers when their opinion on a matter lacks viability and truth. Theres a saying: play the ball, not the man. Read and understand what it means.

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-06 10:58

      Bob, you should understand that with God there really is no time. And I didn't post comments at that time JUST to call people ignorant, pathetic and foolish. Like I said, it is not the people who are so, read carefully before you accuse. Do you know what a myth is? A myth is a legend or parable, something that has no proof that it is true, yet again as I said before, the bible has never been proved wrong but it has been proven right over and over again. "People often turn to insulting their opposers when their opinion on a matter lacks viability and truth." Before you throw a comment like this out there make sure who you are aiming for. As I used that same example yesterday, because that is exactly what people are doing with God. And I didn't insult the people, I insulted their statements. As it is their statements that lack viability and truth. Now would you like to keep this going? I can carry on with this as long as you like, I have a cornerstone that supports my arguments, I know my God and I know my bible, and I know the truth. You can carry on accusing me of whatever you like, I have the word of God that will prove you wrong over and over again. Now Bob... Read that and understand what it means.

      Bob - 2012-03-06 12:33

      The bible has never been proven wrong? I'm fairly certain the bible states the world was created in 7 days, which (last time I checked) was wrong. Or was that a metaphor? am I reading it out of context? Every time the bible was proven wrong you religious people change the meaning of the text, often moving it from literal to metaphorical. YOU change the meaning of biblical text so that it means exactly what YOU want it to mean.

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-06 12:48

      You mean to tell me it wasn't? Tell me Bob, where exactly was it that you checked that? You think it is impossible for God to create the world in 7days? Please share with me your reasoning behind that, I would really like to know how something like that would be impossible for God with whom all things are possible. That is the problem with you non-believers, you try and place God in a box, no wonder you haven't experienced the glory of the King!! I feel truly sorry for you that you aren't able to fathom that God is the great I AM. You would probably also reason that Jesus' resurection never happened cause that must be impossible too hey?

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-06 12:53

      Everytime the bible has been proven wrong? Really?? Exactly who proved it wrong? And what was the proof??

      Bob - 2012-03-06 13:03

      wait, Alida do you believe the world was created in 7 days?

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-06 13:08

      I believe that God said He created the world in 7 days, I also believe that those seven days could be 7 days as we know it or it could be 7 days as it is in heaven. Whichever one it is really doesn't matter because I believe He could have created it in one human day if He wanted to. Who are we to say He can't or couldn't have??

      Bob - 2012-03-06 13:38

      From your response Alida, it seems as if you do indeed believe the world was created in 7 (human) days. You've closed your mind to the realities of the universe and filled it with what you read in a book written thousands of years ago by people who lived in tents. Its fine, you go ahead serving/fearing your god, chastising and condemning those who dont to the fiery pits of hell. Just remember, there are people out there who are as resolute in their faith as you are, but have faith in something entirely different, and believe that YOU are wrong and THEY are right.

      Alan - 2012-03-06 13:43

      You know what Bob - you might as well stop wasting your time trying to shake the belief of a believer. As they say in the old Hyundai advert - "Never gonna happen, Bob!" If you don't wanna believe or at least study the Bible to make an informed decision - then you are just gonna have to live your life the way you choose, and take the consequences. But I can assure you, you are never going to change the minds of anybody that has chosen God. And hey - you are welcome to your choice, just as we are to ours.

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-06 15:14

      Just as your response seems that you believe it was not created in 7 human days. So how about answering that question? Why do you think God couldn’t have?  You see I answered all your questions yet you answer none of mine, why is that Bob?  Tell me why God couldn’t have done that? Because of the realities of the universe? What truth is that reality based on? God is God of the universe, not just the world.  You want to prove God wrong by using facts provided to you by human intelligence?  The human mind is not capable of understanding all that God is.  Yet you choose to believe what scientists tell you?  So you recon it makes sense to believe what the “experts” tell you about how the world was created and what is possible and what is not?  Where were those experts when the Bible was written? Where were they when the universe and the earth was created?  Where is their proof that God does not exist? You think that the Bible was written thousands of years ago by people who lived in tents, therefore it must be false?  Let me tell you who this God is that I believe in and worship Bob.  He is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.  He is Almighty, He is Love, He is Power and He is Healer.  His name is Jesus.  He is not the one that condemns anyone into the fiery pits of hell, people condemn themselves there by their sinful acts and evil thoughts.  He is the one that leads people to tell the world about Him and His love for them so they will know the truth about heaven and about hell, so they would have the choice of accepting Him as Saviour.  You think it unfair that not everybody can go to heaven?  What kind of God is He that He would even allow people to go to hell? He is a God that would not force Himself on you, He loves you and cares for you, and gave you free will.  But he didn’t shut your eyes to the truth, reveals the truth to you every day, it is the world that shuts your eyes, if He was so bad, why would he bother telling you that there is a hell?  Why would he bother telling you what to do to stay away from it?  He gave us the bible (the manual) to get through this life without ending up in the fiery pits of hell.  Yet you think that the Creator’s manual for His creation is fake?   Tell me why there are no arguments or debates like these about satan?  Is it because he isn’t real either?  Do you really believe that?  If you do not believe in God or satan, then you do not believe that there is good or evil, so you believe everything just is as it is?  God is all that is good, He is righteousness, satan is all that is evil, he is unrighteous and he is deceiving.  If your heart has been so consumed by evil, how do you expect to see the truth about who satan is? You have then already allowed him to have power over your life. I am very well aware that there are many other people with different beliefs who believe that they are right and I am wrong.  But tell me Bob, if you do not serve God, who do you serve? You cannot tell me nobody, because that would mean you serve yourself, which means that you serve the god of selfishness, a.k.a. satan.  The sad part about that is that you wouldn’t even realise it because you would be so consumed by self-righteousness that you shut your own eyes from the truth. Because you CHOOSE not to believe. Nobody can force you to believe, but God has placed a hunger inside every human being, something that will always leave a void in your life, unless you get to know Him.  He is the only one that can fill that void.  The truth is you are a slave to this world, until you accept the blood of Jesus. Only His blood can set you free.  Why do you believe what people tell you about the bible?  Have you read it for yourself?  God is not a liar Bob, if you read the bible and didn’t understand what it was saying, you should ask God to help you.  Why would you go around believing every interpretation of the bible told by people, why not ask the source? The Word is God, therefore He is among us.  You think that God is a man who only punishes people when they do wrong, you think He is this guy that sees all we do all the way from heaven?  That is a lie, He is among us, He is with us all the time, because He will  never leave His children.   How many of these god’s that people serve actually means anything?  How many of those gods actually answer the prayers of their people?  None of them Bob.  That is because there is only one God, His name is Jesus, and there is Power in the name of Jesus.  I have been witness to many miracles, many things that have been asked in His name and were answered immediately.  I have seen people who were paralyzed for over 20 years get out of their wheelchairs and start walking in the name of Jesus, I have seen people born blind and deaf start hearing and start seeing for the first time in their lives, because of the name of Jesus. I have seen people with cancer and all sorts of sicknesses healed instantly in the name of Jesus. I have seen people start to laugh uncontrollably when they are filled with the Joy of the Lord.  I have seen atheists and people from different beliefs and walks of life come to salvation because of the name of Jesus.  I have seen demons manifest  in people, and I have seen these same demons flee at the mention of the name of Jesus.  I have felt the anointing of the Holy Spirit for myself. Tell me Bob, how could I not believe in this God?  How can you try to convince me that He does not exist when I have seen with my own eyes and you have not?  I know His voice and you can sell me no junk. So Bob, can you answer my questions truthfully as I have answered yours? Would you like to start with my first question that I raised? Do you believe the resurrection of Jesus was impossible? Or are you going to accuse me still, avoid my questions and use that as your closing argument?

      Alan - 2012-03-06 15:25

      There you have it in a nutshell Bob. I kinda noticed how you avoid answering any questions too .... Anyways.. thanks for the entertainment Bob, and thanks for your insights Alida - nothing I can fault, and very much like most of my own understandings. I totally get you!

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-06 15:28

      @Alan- they are all wasting their time if their intentions are to change the minds of the believers. But I am quite entertained by the debates, I love telling people about Jesus, even if they reject Him, somewhere along the way somthing will trigger.

      Alan - 2012-03-06 15:44

      Yep - my life changed by a God intervention in hosp. when I should have died 5 years ago. I know my story has changed lives - so there is always hope that spreading the word will plant a seed or two in some people. :)

      Mandu Ngcobo - 2012-03-06 16:08

      Alida, you sure have a lot of time on your hands, don't you? Anyway, the bible claims the universe and everything in it was created in 6 days, not 7 (a claim that was debunked by astronomy and biology). It makes one wonder if you really know your bible. Here's a question for you: there are hundreds of creation stories out there. Can you prove to me that they are all wrong and that yours is correct?

      Mandu Ngcobo - 2012-03-06 16:08

      Alida, you sure have a lot of time on your hands, don't you? Anyway, the bible claims the universe and everything in it was created in 6 days, not 7 (a claim that was debunked by astronomy and biology). It makes one wonder if you really know your bible. Here's a question for you: there are hundreds of creation stories out there. Can you prove to me that they are all wrong and that yours is correct?

      Alan - 2012-03-06 16:16

      oh dear - Troll alert!!!!

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-06 16:35

      Actually Mandu, I have very little time, but God is my first priority so I make time. Even if it is for spreading His word to people who think I'm crazy. God doesn't think I'm crazy. But let's get right down to the point why don't we. You are all the same, trying your best to throw me with questions that you think I will not be able to answer and that would make me question God. How about any one of you give me the answers to what I have asked before you try and think of another question cause you really do not have the answers to mine. Once you were able to do that, then ask me again what you just did and I will prove to you that those versions of creation is false. Do you think I don't know that the world was created in 6 days and not 7? That is true but the creation in its entirety was 7 days, that includes the last day when God rested. You think I don't know my bible? You really want to try and prove me wrong by using the bible? Go ahead, try me. Do you really want to display to the world how smart you just tried to be when your not gonna be able to go any further than genesis 1? Go for it.

      Bob - 2012-03-06 16:53

      Wow. I'm surprised you managed to fit that within the comments character limit. The reason I havent answered any of your questions was because you believe the world was created in 6 days (Thanks for the correction Mandu) which means you arent looking at this rationally and I can't debate with you if you won't even try to see things from another perspective. I was a christian (catholic) for 22 years, so don't try and put that seeing things from another perspective back onto me.

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-06 17:36

      You clearly didn't experience God then. Your years of experience means nothing if you don't have the holy spirit. You are lying when you say that I don't try to see things from your perspective. Did I not ask you repeatedly why or how. You didn't think that one through did you?

      Lwando Zondwa-Ziintshaba Poni - 2012-03-06 22:39

      GO ALIDA, no really I like you standing up for what you believe in. Bob and I on the other hand probably will never be convinced. For me it simply doesnt take 'its God's will' to convince me. Nonetheless, I think you're a lovely sport. Ultimately everyone has the right to believe what makes them sleep comfy at night. I could ask you questions that express my frustration with the concept of a God but only 'he' (if he exists) can answer. Stay positive my lady ciao... :-)

      Alida Swart - 2012-03-07 09:40

      Lwando, your response is the kind that doesn't spark anger or frustration but makes me smile. You are so right, everyone has a right to believe what they want. And yes there are some questions that you may have that only God can answer, but you need have a willing ear to be able to hear when He does. God answers in many ways, not only in an audible voice but through a word or aloving hand or something random a stranger says. If you have a willing heart you will know. Unfortunately if you blieve you will never be convinced then you probably won't. Like I said, God won't force Himself on you but He uses the willing. Awesome point you raised though!! ;)

  • Thermophage - 2012-03-06 09:31

    If you have a problem with the content then fine, maybe reading about murderers is not the best. But don't squirm because the book is based on some fictional story from the one of the oldert fairy tale books...Then your motives for not liking it are just plain one-sided.

  • kingriaan - 2012-03-07 16:10

    Haha Christians have aproblem with this book, yet the Bible is full of incest, rape, murder and sodomy. A bit of a dubbel standard if you ask me.

      Alan - 2012-03-08 08:44

      I guess that in general, as the world plunges deeper into a life of immorality, materialism and self-centredness, some groups of the "traditional Christians' don't make time for God, or to bring their children up in a Christian way, leading by example, or giving their children the opportuninty to have a good understanding of God and the Bible. Sadly the next generations (who know everything with their ultra advanced human brains) never know any better and have no inkling of God, hence the type of comments like many above. I often wonder how these people percieve life to have started in the first place? I have never managed to get a meaningful answer from any of them ..... You don't have to be a genius to accept a higher form of life, and that is a great starting point. Let's just think about the creation and functioning of the human body alone, leaving the rest of creation aside for a moment. It is estimated that the entire Medical Field of the world COMBINED knows LESS that .1 (Point One!) percent of what there is to know about functioning of the human body. Yet in our stupidity, we are the self proclaimed experts of the Universe and creation, and reject God who we have never bothered to learn about and know???? Sure - life is always a work-in-progress, and there is always hope for all people, but I find the arrogance and stupidity of some of these comments very disturbing for the human race. Better to just be quiet in your own ignorance.

      LanfearM - 2012-11-14 10:19

      The arrogance of proclaiming the existence of a god, and your god in particular, far outstrips the arrogance of non-believers. The world is NOT plunging into immorality and self-centredness at all. We as a species have become MORE moral than ever. Nothing wrong with this book or story. The same as the modern-day stories about Greco-Roman-, Norse-, Chinese-, Egyptian-, etc. mythologies that are abundant. Just a new spin on an old mythology.

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