EG - 2011-09-12 14:45
"..but who (unless they were described by it) would consider themselves so described if there were no truth to the insult" And then he goes on to say ""I refute the allegation and consider it insulting in turn to be called sexist." So, by his own previous deduction, he is a sexist.
daaivark - 2011-09-12 14:52
I fully agree. His aptly quoted respoinse is disingenuous at best and a travesty of logic. Much as I believe that his detractors are quite possibly being petty, there certainly seems gro0unds for the assertion.
CTScientist - 2011-09-12 15:03
You do. You read the story as well. :P
eugene smit - 2011-09-12 15:06
He's got a good point, i know because i hanged out in the same circles where he Dj, Due to the lack of proper parenting girls are easy!!!!!
Plain an simple, it is the truth unfortunately.
GeneralCS - 2011-09-12 15:14
I don't like Gareth Cliff, but I don't like cry babies either. I see no logical faux pas in saying that it would only be an insult should there be any truth to the statement.
FACT: Ugly women generally take offense when sexually explicit statements are made about women. FACT: Intelligent women don't give a rats ass.
Side_Winder - 2011-09-12 15:35
Thanks to daaivark and EG I finally understand what anal retentive means...
Green Oaks - 2011-09-12 16:21
Cliff is such a wannabe. Prick !!!!
EG - 2011-09-12 16:27
If all those 22yr old girls do nothing but lie on their backs with their legs open, you would assume that they are not alone in that position (gynae visits excluded). Hence it can be said that 22yr old guys do nothing but play hide the willy all day. So he insulted 22yr olds in general.
EG - 2011-09-12 16:28
(And I will add that some 30-something yr old DJ's do nothing but suck on their own feet all day)
oistar - 2011-09-13 08:15
Sorry all you 'bitter-balle' out there, I am with gareth on this one. I do not see the link to sexism in what he said and I do not see how anyone can be offended by this unless it is true. So to you whining ninnies, here is my middle finger, do with it what you please. Perhaps it can loosen your anal retentativeness
Wes - 2011-09-13 08:47
EG your comment makes no sense.
angelcynn - 2011-09-13 10:37
EG, if I was you I would delete Daaivark's comment, he is a Civil Servant banned from social networking and; has nothing really to say!
Succubus - 2011-09-13 10:56
*Sigh* ...if only I knew where all the 22 year old girls Gareth speaks of can be found! :(
rsr - 2011-09-13 10:56
Very simply he used a slightly non PC analogy to convey his point that 22 year olds aren't often at the same state of maturity as his guest. That’s really all there is to this as far as I can see. It certainly has no bearing on his level of arrogance. The fact is we all make mistakes in the workplace, its just not heard by millions of people. I'd love to hear any one of you talk for hours every week day for years on end and not make occasional analogies that don't meet everybody's standards.
roboman1 - 2011-09-13 12:57
We are going to run out of interesting, witty and professional Radio jocks at this rate
Diablo7 - 2011-09-13 14:02
He wanted to say something funny and witty at the moment but just did not think it through this time...I don't think people should take that comment seriously.
Mad Hatter - 2011-09-13 14:13
Please guys its an opinion , not only that is he wrong ? If a female DJ said that most 22 year old guys are only thinking with their wedding spear i bet everyone would be fine with that making everyone sexist. So sensitive , it was like the president or judge said it. I LMAO knowing the teenage pregnancy stats and pop stats.
Bella - 2011-09-12 14:46
Darren Scott resigned because he felt guilty? A drunken mind speaks a sober tongue. Gareth Cliff on the other hand has always been controversial and will continue to be misinterpreted by many.
halfbee - 2011-09-12 14:57
And clearly understood by most...he is a sexist....
AjAxxxx - 2011-09-13 08:33
okay halfbee lets cry about it. tell your mommy.
Kiljoy - 2011-09-12 14:49
Gareth Cliff is an opinionated twat,he's long over due to be chopped down to size !
jeremy - 2011-09-12 14:52
Your handle says it all - Kiljoy - and you can't even spell it properly!
Point Blank - 2011-09-12 14:56
onthefence - 2011-09-12 15:11
@point blank - I laughed so much I fell on my back and my legs were wide open
Optimistic81 - 2011-09-12 15:48
opinionated: Holding stubbornly and often unreasonably to one's own opinions.
at least he has his own opinions. sort of like your opinion about him.....
GinSA1 - 2011-09-13 09:17
Reminds me of Malema. If he says it, it is so! Twat
Newsfollower - 2011-09-13 10:10
I totally agree, he needs to be brought down a peg or two
JJ - 2011-09-12 14:50
That is precisely how I understood it as well, although he could have said it better so that fewer people would have been offended...I am a woman, I was not offended by his comment , as I was not promiscuous at 22 , my life & accomplishments speaks for itself - I had a succesful career at 22 , not to mention I was a married woman...But obviously the comment did cause a stir , & it did offend quite a few people...
Bad1hq - 2011-09-12 15:33
@ JJ I agree, I heard the comment and didn't think anything of it, the story was about the girls good work and what a great role model she is. I find it hilarious that there are obviously a lot more woman out there with low morals who feel offended by his comments, to whome it seems lying on there back was a more important issue then helping AIDS orphans...
CB57 - 2011-09-12 14:52
This self-opinionated eejit Cliff feels it's ok to make such an insulting generalised remark about 22 year old women but now feels insulted because he's called on it - moron! Maybe a "slut walk" is needed outside his offices at 5fm women of SA?
Point Blank - 2011-09-12 14:57
Oh please man, you moaners obviously didn't hear the interview so you all waffling on another poorly written News24 article. Yes he said the comment but then laughed and said "I am only joking..." You know, the very same type of comments 99% of you say around the braai... bucnh of self righteous pricks we got on here today!
cj - 2011-09-12 15:52
That means he knew it was sexist. Why now give a different, half-baked explanation? Old Cliffie boy was just trying too hard again to be cute and witty, and it blew up in his face.
chunkyme - 2011-09-13 10:53
crap... you say what you mean, even drunk people know that and Gareth needs to be brought down to size..... does he f&&**ng walk on water!!!!! I DONT THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!! PRICK
jacquisw - 2011-09-13 11:43
The man's job is to be controversial, he has and always be so,I (a mere women)listen to him every morning and there are I times I can not agree to some of the things he says but hell I like MOST of what he says, he makes me laugh and he is welcome to his opinion. When he starts shouting that all 22 yr olds should be removed as they are slut agents living through imperialistic western agendas" then maybe I will think about being really offended but right now and reckon this is excellent publicity.
kc89 - 2011-09-12 14:58
How ridiculous....people can be so petty. I am a woman and was not offended at all. We are all grownups, let’s act like it and not get so touchy over such silly things.
JJ - 2011-09-12 15:00
Side_Winder - 2011-09-12 15:43
Sensible comment KC89. You sound like a grown-up.. I must admit that I enjoy the feather ruffling though..
logs - 2011-09-13 08:29
you must be a very old woman. He insulted the 22-year olds.
kc89 - 2011-09-13 10:22
Logs.... Im actually 21 ha ha!!
ChrisW - 2011-09-12 14:58
If the statements are accurately quoted then the norms of society would dictate that he was disgusting.......as usual.
Wotzizname - 2011-09-12 15:01
I heard the interview and remember him saying "girls of 22 usually do nothing but lie on their backs with their legs open", my wife and I still spoke about it. Yes he is opinionated and yes he is arrogant, but he's at least got the balls to speak up and be a bit cheeky for the sake of entertainment! I enjoy his show's he's interesting.
People can be so serious sometimes, complete sense of humour failure!
FM - 2011-09-12 15:05
Is Gareth competing for the same attention as these "idle" ladies? That might explain his attack on girls who don’t do charity work.
k.l - 2011-09-12 15:05
he probably should have made it clear that guys also participate in this act, incriminating both sexes of something so horrendous. lighten up people!the point he made it that we all think about ourselves and it easy to actually give something back. that is true for me and that is what i will take from it. and if you don't take that from it and waste your time on accusing people you are pitiful.
lydonmcg - 2011-09-12 15:06
LOL. How is that sexiest? Surely there would also be a man between the legs of each 22 year old lying on her back? The only people who should be insulted are 22 year olds!
Mike - 2011-09-13 09:03
Why necessarily a man lying between the legs, it could be another woman!
Merry - 2011-09-12 15:06
Come off it Gareth. Your excuses sound like the ones coming from the ANCYL. Be a man and admit it. We are not all deaf.
onthefence - 2011-09-12 15:15
Merry - he is a shock jock.....he will alsways say things to get people thinking, talking or shouting - lighten up a bit and be....well....Merry?
device - 2011-09-13 09:40
@onthefence thinking, talking and shouting is exactly what people are doing now!!! Surely Gareth must of expected this reaction when generalizing that way! If you wanna say shocking things, you should expect a shocking reaction...its as simple as that. this is the risk you take when you decide to be a controversial public figure and I trust Gareth knows this otherwise he should not be so public about it and rather go by some obscure pseudonym like Device or onthefence.
Andrew Brady - 2011-09-12 15:07
I am convinced Gareth Cliff is gay. That is a pretty cruel thing to say about all girls, and can only come from someone with sexual issues. In an interview with him I read a while ago, I also noticed that he has 'female" issues. But like Darren Scott he will eventually talk himself out of his job. You can't make statements like this and hope to remain on air.
onthefence - 2011-09-12 15:34
Andrew - such a compeling argument from you that I now too believe that he is gay.....you should do public speaking. Oh, and Gareth wouldn't be bothered if you think he is gay....you mean absolutely nothing to him.
patrickb - 2011-09-13 13:27
I know he is gay!
GeneralCS - 2011-09-12 15:08
I think people are way too sensative now day and they just need to get over it. If some woman calls all men pigs, will some dude cry sexism? NO, because we're not that pathetic.
Kiki - 2011-09-12 15:27
"People are way too sensitive nowadays"? Really? I think we ought to go back to having some manners quite frankly! His comment is certainly one that I would have deemed offensive had I heard it. And I most certainly wasn't 'one of the those girls'. It is inappropriate and down right rude. I wouldn't accept it 'around a braai' as one person commented on here and to think it was said on morning radio when mothers were driving their children to school is disgusting! Think before you speak, have some manners, gain respect.
EG - 2011-09-12 16:34
It was a man who complained. So (if your own observation is held true) you are.
Dr. No - 2011-09-12 15:10
Can someone lodge a complaint against someone for being an idiot? This is not the first time this guy has been in hot water, some years back he commented to an underage girl on the radio "you know you want me". He is Julius with a white skin but not nearly as entertaining.
Lynn - 2011-09-12 15:13
What a waste of space this creep is...
Rusty - 2011-09-12 15:19
Gareth Cliff on 5FM is the only decent radio announcer to listen to in the morning. Mother Grundies who can't handle his comments, his clever wit and his sense of humour must rather tune into Radio Pulpit.
13th apostle - 2011-09-12 15:25
Sorry I disagree,as far as I'm concerned he is a plonker!
childish out look
sardonicus - 2011-09-12 15:30
He' alright hey, better than the screamer Mark Gillman...
Rusty - 2011-09-12 15:32
@13 apostle - if you are such a prude then why do you listen to him? If you don't listen to him then how can you say that he's a plonker? You "wonker" with a letter "a" instead of the "o".
13th apostle - 2011-09-12 15:35
*Yawn* typical Cliff follower huh?Rusty
Rusty - 2011-09-12 15:38
Hey 13th apostle, I guess so huh? Now off you go to church, and don't forget to pray for us sinners, okay? :-)
13th apostle - 2011-09-12 19:39
prayer is not gonna help you mate!
mandy - 2011-09-13 16:59
I do like his clever wit and sense of humour but this time he was neither clever or funny - just witless and rude.
OneBite - 2011-09-12 15:20
If he was sexist he should apologize, finish and klaar. Let the BCC do their thing.
Mike - 2011-09-13 09:08
"If" is the word in question!
Sunshine - 2011-09-13 11:05
What happened to freedom of speech. One should be allowed to say whatever they want. if it is in private or on the air it means the same thing. too many people pulling the wool over their own eyes. i agree with gareth. too many mother grundies out there playing dumb.
Borken - 2011-09-12 15:20
Gareth cliff can simply be described as an ill-opinionated, self absorbed, self righteous, contradictory, narcisstic. and he is also dim. just because you are well articulated does not make you intelligent and he is testiment to this every single morning from 6 to 9 am. for example this morning he firstly called a guy a MORON and then insisted that no teenage singers have EVER become adult superstars, and he argued that point aggressively and offensively. just to name a couple: brittney spears, christina agruilera, justin timberlake, there are MANY. now im not saying i have their CD's in my car but the point is that they are super stars, FACT, and there are many more. he is ridiculous, the end.
13th apostle - 2011-09-12 15:36
kc31 - 2011-09-12 15:45
The guy that called in WAS a moron; he said that Justin Bieber is/will be an adult superstar, which no one can say for a fact, as the boy is only 17 and his voice has barely broken. Secondly, Gareth never said that no teenage singers have "EVER" become adult stars as you claim; he said the only child star he could think of that has made it big as an adult is Michael Jackson. Your pop examples: Britney Spears (did her best work in her teens and has embarrassed herself since then); Christina Aguilera (who, admittedly far better than Britney, has fared worse the older she gets) - besides, she was technically an adult when she rose to fame, as she was 19; and Justin Timberlake (when last have you heard from him, besides collaborations? His last studio album was in 2006). These singers have done well, but can no longer be considered "superstars"; their most famous moments have come and gone. Michael Jackson, on the other hand, was still releasing albums at the age of 49. He is a great example of a child star who transitioned into adult stardom. Gareth Cliff has it correct here.
JHRB - 2011-09-12 15:54
Not even JM could have made a speech like you. Well said!
Mike - 2011-09-13 09:09
You forgot to mention that he is a soutie!
Mike - 2011-09-13 09:11
@JHRB - who is JM? please don't tell me it's a circus clown!
caleb69 - 2011-09-12 15:21
Maybe he is fighting for the other team, then its understandable
Ollie - 2011-09-12 15:25
I am never shocked by Gareth Cliff anymore - it's what and who he is - don't listen to his show if you are sensitive and a prude.
Victoriatoms - 2011-09-12 15:25
people must have realised by now we live in a country where freedom of speech or should I say "freedom of speech" is legal, and not only that, but everyone listens with half an ear for something to complain about... btw, if you don't like it, turn it off... it's really not that difficult. One more thing, Gareth Cliff is who he is, there isn't anything anybody can do or say to change it... so like I said, if you don't like it, you have the freedom to turn it off. #haterssuck!
@ - 2011-09-12 15:30
if darren scott has been criticised for making racist remarks... gareth cliff should be for making sexist remarks... they are both unconstitutional and both demeaning and insulting the dignity of those insulted...
scott's comment was about one person... but felt by a hole race... cliff's was made about a whole generation of women...
does anyone wonder why women abuse and rape is such an appalling problem in south africa? it starts here with people like cliff making comments for shock value... and it's continued by people here on this blog defending his offensive comments...
in the race case against malema the judge said this morning... "words undermined the dignity of people and were discriminatory and harmful."
how were cliffs words any different...?
you people are sycophants or bigots... most probably sycophantic bigots...
wake up people... women abuse and rape in south africa are serious problems... joking about them is perverse and offensive...
when it happens to you as a woman or to a wife, daughter mother of yours... don't expect any sympathy... you have contributed to the problem.
Daemos1 - 2011-09-12 16:01
not the same thing
plus Gareth said he was joking, on the air after saying it
and he was sober
onthefence - 2011-09-12 16:12
Where did he joke about rape? I think your keyboard got the better of you....have you thought about keyboard obedience training? Anyone know of a keyboard whisperer we can get @ onto? (I do this for you because I care)
WiseWoman - 2011-09-12 16:53
You obviously have serious issues pls get some therapy before next you spout off about an interview you obviously didn't hear in the first place... no reference was made to rape but the lack of self respect in our younger women. Probably lack of good parenting.. hardly Gareth's fault.
Gigabomb - 2011-09-12 17:08
Geez all that finger pointing? It is a whole race, psychophant, Cliff and Darren Scott have capital letter and you cant spell!!!
Giovani269@24.com - 2011-09-13 11:39
Look at sexpo. They advertise sex like omo?
Living and lifestyle expo? WTF...
Selling sex. That is meant for the bedroom.
Rip van Winkel - 2011-09-12 15:46
I am concerned that people might thing the only for 22 yo to have fun would be on their backs.....which is not true..
DarkB4Dawn - 2011-09-12 15:55
Are you being serious??? You really think people are that stupid? Ha ha ha :-D
onthefence - 2011-09-12 16:14
No ways...it's not true?? Bummer bru
Sum1 - 2011-09-12 15:46
About time someone complained about Gareths inane rambling and random insults!
DarkB4Dawn - 2011-09-12 15:48
A woman walks into a bar. Just kidding, she's still in the kitchen!
DarkB4Dawn - 2011-09-12 15:51
Lets see who has a sense of humour here? As the comment above is meant as a joke. Nothing more. Nothing less. Some will laugh, som won't. And if you don't get the joke, then get back in the kitchen! :-D
Juanita - 2011-09-13 11:56
vixjade - 2011-11-08 11:39
Love it... and I'm a 26 year old FEMALE. Get a life people. Gareth Cliff is a GENIUS !!!!!
JHRB - 2011-09-12 15:49
@Borken ... Even Julius M could not say it better ...
GillyWilly - 2011-09-12 15:50
Methinks that most men writing here wish they met a 22 year old who usually lies on their backs with their legs open? And methinks that the women who comment about it are a little jealous they aren't...Lol.
Optimistic81 - 2011-09-12 15:52
it's ridiculous how people can just make a mountain out of a molehill. if you don't like gareth cliff, don't listen to his show. plain and simple. I will continue to listen as i like some of his opinions, i don't always have to agree with what he says but who cares.we really should not be sweating the small stuff..
Al G - 2011-09-12 15:57
I dont care for what he said, I am a woman, but I must say, I have never met a more spineless person than what I perceive Gareth to be.
spiderman7 - 2011-09-12 16:00
What a chop!
Daemos1 - 2011-09-12 16:02
Who cares, Tex Collins is a crusty old man, we will grind him down and usehim for protein shakes
Thomasb - 2011-09-12 16:05
If you people dont like what Gareth has to say dont complain, just dont listen to him. you people need to stop crying
Deeteem - 2011-09-12 16:15
BUT ....... it is true !!!
Jolene Atties - 2011-09-12 16:17
I love my 5fm in the morning and I love Gareth, but that comment was irresponsible, he makes it seem like it's ok for woman of that age group to behave in that manner. Grow up you have a platform use it wisely Mr Cliff, lotsa love.....J
13th apostle - 2011-09-13 09:58
sorry,Jolene,I think at that age(22yrs) there is nothing wrong with getting her grove on, if she wanna
Philip - 2011-09-12 16:25
throw Gareth from a Cliff
Dave - 2011-09-12 16:26
I remember Cliff's first week at 5FM - he had a caller who wanted to apologise to his girlfriend on air after cheating on her. Cliff's wisdom? "What did she do to make you cheat? You need to forget about her and find a better girl with big titties". Since then it's been more of the same (although with more appropriate on air language), mountains of fake self-deprecation and heavily researched topics masquerading as impromptu banter. Vanity has a voice and it belongs to Gareth Cliff.
sjkranenburg - 2011-09-12 16:39
gareth cliff and 5fm suck... they are another reason i cant listen to the radio anymore.
Norma - 2011-09-12 16:41
how does he know that is what 22year old gils do? Did he do something with a 22year old that we dont know about.
Anton - 2011-09-12 16:47
Gareth Cliff, a w-Anchor. FACT
Dawie - 2011-09-12 16:52
I would have never guessed Cliff would know how girls do it................would have thought he would only know M2M positions
FerretGee - 2011-09-12 16:55
Who gives Tex Collins the right to be offended on behalf of someone else? The interviewee wasn't offended. Fact is, you either accept that by listening to Gareth Cliff that he will say things that may offend or, you switch to another radio station.
Hugh - 2011-09-12 17:05
This over sensitivity leaves Me cold. Any bets the narrow bloody minded will read something into this that is not meant.
Christopher - 2011-09-12 17:42
Surely Tex Collins and the DA have got better things to do (like holding the ANC Durban Council to account and making sure our extraordinarily high Durban rates are better spent) than running after Gareth Cliff and complaining about what he says on a radio talk show?? Come on Tex, get a life and do the job you're (very well) paid to do! Fix the street renaming debacle, fix the potholes, pick up the rubbish and repair the traffic lights first.
Lewis - 2011-09-12 18:04
Obviously his remark hit the spot.
Stollie - 2011-09-12 18:21
Gareth Cliff is a top notch douchebag, why are we surprised that he is uttering drivel?
LACER8 - 2011-09-12 18:37
Gareth for someone who claims to always be an advocate for the truth your statement can only be described as pussyfooting ( in other words you are pulling a Juliarse on us ) . Stop being so pretentious as the fall from the pedestal you place yourself on could be quite a long way down.
Durbsdude - 2011-09-12 18:48
I thought the blourokkies became extinct with the NG Kerk lot...
Sarah Dawson - 2011-09-12 18:57
Sign this petition against Cliff's sexist comments here: http://www.change.org/petitions/5fms-gareth-cliff-is-sexist
No matter how innocuous they seem, these comments are hurtful and harmful to women in this country.
TheNwsReader - 2011-09-13 07:54
This has got nothing to do with sexism Sarah
TheNwsReader - 2011-09-13 07:54
Worse things are being said against men on TV anyway
James121 - 2011-09-13 10:18
Sarah Dawson - haveing a quiet week at Change.org. What have you actually done apart from waste your and other peoples time. Hurtful and harmful to women - what a joke. It was said in jest.