I do not condone the language he used, but think about this, everyday you listen to the news or open a newspaper there is nothing but news about Julius, the ANCYL, poverty, protests, corruption, Cosatu, and everything that Mark mentioned. As a young man he sees no light at the end of the tunnel and he gets so worked up and frustrated that he loses the plot and kaboom! he justs spits out the venom that poisons his soul. Can you blame him? Everytime I listen to the news and read the newspaper I feel that poison slowly rising.
SkandaalZA - 2011-09-28 08:54
Exactly. Mark get's my 10/10 for saying what so many think - even with the f-words. If I had the bucks, I'd open a radio station and hire him. Some of these high and mighty PC goon shows (who I might add are not so angelic) controlled by the ANC need competition.
Mitcha - 2011-09-28 10:28
Dead right. Not sure how those people, after reading the news say "have a good night" with a smile on their face. I just feel like saying WTF and having a whiskey.
john - 2011-09-28 11:16
Mark hardly mentioned anything about SA-specific problems. Fascism is hardly a problem here, neither is graveyard shifts, neither is domestication. Instead, his first priority was to slam capitalism. As any company head will tell you, don't come to me with problems, come to me with solutions. So Mark doesn't like capitalism, what is his proposed alternative? "From each according to his talents to each according to his needs"? Mark may not know this but they actually tried that. And from China to North Korea, Tanzania to Somalia, Ethiopia to Cambodia, it resulted in nothing but misery, poverty and starvation.
So he doesn't like perpetual economic growth? What is his alternative - stagnant or shrinking economies? We've had that as well recently and not many seemed to like it very much.
So he doesn't like civilisation and wants anarchy. He'll be the first to cry if law and order breaks down and he gets targeted by a roving gang or armed bandits.
Yes, the world has problems. Always has had, always will have. Freaking out about it on live radio isn't a solution. Nor is it original. He just joins a looooooooong list of Socialist anarchist hippies who think that everything sucks but have no answers. Or, worse still, rise to power and implement their "vision" on their unfortunate followers. Mao Zedong, Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong-il... he is certainly in distinguished company.
john - 2011-09-28 11:22
@Mike: If I had the bucks, I'd open a radio station and hire him.
You wouldn't have the bucks to sustain the station for long if that was your approach. An outburst like Mark's generates interest as a once-off anomaly. When it becomes a regular nightly event, it's blase within three days. It makes Jerry Springer seem intellectual by comparison. Any station that tried to follow your approach would end up with zero listeners other than lawyers waiting for you to slip up and slander their client. You'd be up to your ears in lawsuits after a month and would have closed down shortly after that. You could end up with a small fortune from your station. But only if you started out with a big fortune.
Together - 2011-09-28 11:41
@ john - the decay of democracy IS fascism - if you don't understand what the marshalling of youth leagues, the info bill and the call to nationalise resources is, then you don't know much about history. What we are seeing in SA is NOT a revolution towards socialism - we are seeing a coup towards NATIONALISM which actually = fascism.
Of course, it's going to surprise a lot of Marxists who think that they're driving the process - in similar moves that rocked Italy, Germany and Spain 80+ years ago, the communists were the first to be lined up against the wall and shot after govts had been toppled. The poor were marched to war, and a scapegoat 'race' kept everyone's blood boiling and vision dimmed until it was too late.
While I may not fully agree with this kid, he does seem a bit more well-read than many of his detractors on here.
john - 2011-09-28 12:02
Yes, I'm sure we're all going to be marched off to war, and Blade, Jeremy Cronin and Co will be put up against a wall and shot while the brown-shirted ANCYL round up the Jews. I'm not ignorant of history, I just don't buy in to the hysteria that Malema is the new Fuhrer and the killing of white farmers in the new Holocaust. For starters, Hitler presided over an industrialisation programme second to none. Jullius and his cronies can hardly tack a pine bookshelf together. Hitler and the Germans got things done. They built the world's greatest military machine in record time. All Africans can do is hold endless meetings and toyi-toyi and call for "national debates" and "engagement with all stakeholders". Even when we tried to forge a deal with arms manufacturers, it turned into a massive bust and waste of taxpayer money. So relax, we're not going to have Panzer divisions rolling down Eloff Street anytime soon. And even if we did, NATO would cut that little misadventure short in a few days. Those who don't learn from Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya are doomed to a diet of eating 30mm depleted uranium A-10 rounds and having their country returned to the Stone Age. I doubt even Julius is that stupid.
john - 2011-09-28 12:17
Incidentally, Hitler didn't nationalise industry and the info bill is not typical of fascism. It's been tried everywhere from the US (the Patriot Act) to North Korea to the Soviet Union and about a hundred little tinpot dictatorships like Zimbabwe or Myanmar. It's as typical of Socialism as it is of fascism.
Together - 2011-09-28 14:01
@ john - you don't have to be a successful fascist to be a fascist - name me the world-famous peoples' car designed and built by the SPanish fascists under Franco. You can't? Well, there you go.
Hitler was just lucky that his megolamania happened to occur while he was living amidst a regimented and gullible nation with a tough work ethic (thanks to the influence of people like Martin Luther) - I don't remember Pinochet coming up with a space programme.
What the youth league espouse is exactly fascism - and only closet supporters of fascism imagine that is a compliment to the youth league. It's the most pointless and short-term form of ungovernment invented and totally open to misuse and abuse. Even those hard-working Germans - it only lasted from 1933 to 1945 and ended with between 7 and 8 million Germans dead. Massive, massive fail.
Together - 2011-09-28 14:06
@ John - sure, I used the wrong word - he didn't nationalise all business, but he certainly appropriated/flattened/hostile-takeovered all Jewish business. Because THEY were the root of all German misery, right....
TrulyGoode - 2011-09-28 14:34
Thank you, john and Together!! It has been wonderful reading your debate. It's not often I find comments like yours and, as a bonus, with minor spelling mistakes. Oh that there were more like you both :D
john - 2011-09-28 15:34
@Together: sure, you don't have to be a successful fascist to be a fascist. But neither is the country doomed the moment nationalism principles are suggested or implemented. Many countries have introduced elements of nationalism without taking it to the logical extremes of Nazi Germany or Spain under Franco.
In that sense, I don't equate Malema with Hitler but rather with Oswald Mosley. Who, as despicable as his views may have been, had somewhat less of an impact on the world than the Fuhrer did. Although he did unleash his son on the motor racing fraternity, which was a tragedy in its own special way, I guess. :D
Malema may eventually have the capability to become a sort of regional Fuhrer, at least in SADC and perhaps even African continental terms. But I wouldn't exactly be ringing the alarm bells and stocking up on tins of baked beans for the underground bunker just yet.
observer - 2011-09-29 13:46
Ag please, can everyone stop trying to support the poor little Anarchist. He is a little boy believing he is special and cool, which he will learn later on as he matures in life, that in fact, he is not. He tried to grab some attention, and this was for his own benefit.
He is an self proclaimed Anarchist, which frankly is pathetic, thinking it better to have a world where there is no order, and governing bodies. Whilst governments generally have aspects of corruption (And please dont use our government as an example because their levels of corruption is beyond defense), societies devoid of governing bodies will eventually become ruthless and directionless. Applying logic and finding something to be a bad idea takes away the need to try it out first.