Radio shocks with Nazi joke

2011-07-29 08:11
Gerhard Pretorius
Pretoria – The University of Pretoria's radio station Tuks FM shocked listeners by suggesting, as a joke, they pose as Nazis.

A photo of Adolf Hitler, along with that of two people standing with their right arm in the Hitler salute and their left hand's fingers on their upper lip symbolising his moustache, was posted on the Bang Bang Breakfast Show blog.

Presenters Rob Forbes and PJ van Rooyen jokingly said on Tuesday that people should start "Nazi-ing" - with reference to the latest fad among the youth, "planking", "owling" and "duck face".

Where "Planking" means a person pretends to be a plank in an unknown environment, "Nazi-ing" was intended to mean that a person takes on a Hitler pose.

Some of the listeners regarded this as very insensitive.

The station manager removed the post from the blog.

'No disciplinary action'

This was severely criticised on social networks Twitter and Facebook. "This is shit, they must go have fun in a concentration camp for a couple of weeks, like the Jews, distasteful," said Charne.

"It seems these idiots are unaware that a fake Hitler salute can easily be mistaken for a real one," was Donovan’s response.

Station Head Loutjie van der Merwe explained on Wednesday that the blog entry had to do with posing and "nothing with real German Nazis".

"After receiving several tweets from people to remove the post and to apologise, it was decided that the readers and listeners did not understand the blog entry's content and context.

"The post was removed without an apology or an explanation.

"We will not apologise officially, because no code of conduct was violated. No disciplinary action will be taken against the two presenters."



  • Kobus - 2011-07-29 08:26

    I don't understand the shock. We live under ANC rule, which is a National Socialist political party. NAZI in other words. It's only one step away from full communism.

      cr1t - 2011-07-29 08:36

      You obviously don't understand the difference between socialism and communism.

      Tantrum - 2011-07-29 08:46

      Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about I agree on the shock part though - why the hell the shock - what impact did Hitler and the Nazis have on Tuks ... bunch of pink panzies ...

      Daniel - 2011-07-29 08:51

      You are a very ignorant man. Not only does the "socialism" in National Socialism have nothing to do with socialism as a leftist form of equal distribution, as you seem to imagine, but the Nazis were implacably opposed to communism. But how can you not understand the shock at suggesting that a gesture that symbolises one of the greatest evils ever inflicted by human beings be imitated and broadcast, even as a "joke"?

      Kobus - 2011-07-29 09:01

      Is nationalisation not the final step to total state ownership? Why is the ANC debating this? How can you, ignorant Daniel, not see the link when blind men can feel it with their white sticks? I don't see any link link between the NAZI salute and the evil committed. Which is more evil, Hitler's killing of millions of innocent Jews (of which I am a descendent), or the blind eye from a NAZI ANC government allowing ethnic cleansing on farms and elderly who cannot defend themselves against the hordes of barbarians?

      Ben - 2011-07-29 09:09

      Time to hit the books Kobus

      Duncan - 2011-07-29 09:16

      Kobus must get the award for the stupidest, most ill-informed and moronic comment ever! Kobus get a TV. I promise that the devil doesn't live inside. Watch the History Channel for ten minutes and then marvel at your own stupidity

      Tantrum - 2011-07-29 09:21

      Daniel - What gret evil are you talking about? What is wrong with protecting what is yours and protecting your people. It is time that white South Africa stand up and protect what is ours ....

      DerpyHooves - 2011-07-29 09:24

      @cr1t What is the difference between socialism and communism? Socislism is the long way to communism...

      robincasino - 2011-07-29 09:28

      What about "ANC'ing"?? Take your picture in different locations, with your hand in a cookie jar!?

      lenand40 - 2011-07-29 09:32

      Kobus, spend some time reading about the difference between Socialism and Nazism. There is a difference, you know!!!

      Jvandm - 2011-07-29 09:47

      @lenand40. NAZI stands for Nazional Sozialismus, which is German for National Socialism. There is therefore absolutely no difference.

      Tantrum - 2011-07-29 10:41

      OMG - the uninformed are everywhere - The term Nazi derives from the first two syllables of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.

      Duncan - 2011-07-29 11:09

      Jvandm: Don't idiots use Google? You're so dense, it's laughable. As explained, National Socialism is a long way off from Socialism. The Nazi's tolerated the capitalist classes and even encouraged them. Leaders like Rohm and Strasser who wanted a more traditional socialist outlook were executed. You're a twit but I guess you get told that all the time

      Jvandm - 2011-07-29 12:03

      @Duncan. Wow, for someone who throws such large stones you are quite uninformed yourself. The Nazis only tolerated those who supported their cause, the rest were either killed instantly, or detained and kept alive for public execution later. At that time, the capitalist classes consisted mostly of Jews, who were murdered and their property seized by the State for the socialist cause. The Nazi party gained support from the masses of extremely poor Germans who were disenfranchised by the war dept imposed upon Germany after WW1. Their rhetoric for blaming their poverty on the capitalist Jews won them a lot of support, which finally got them into power. Go Google a bit yourself, but use more trustworthy sources this time.

      Duncan - 2011-07-29 13:06

      Jvandm: BS! The Nazis allowed the growth of IG Farben, Krupp, etc. You're a bloody fool. The capitalist classes - including the nobility (see the sham funeral for the Kaiser) - loved the Nazis. That makes them not socialist as you understand it. I have a postgrad degree in European history. Let me know what you've got. At least now I undersatnd where Van der Merwe jokes come from

  • MeltdowN - 2011-07-29 08:29

    *rolls eyes*

  • Dr Maximus - 2011-07-29 08:29

    Very Funny. I'm not saying the the Nazi Rule was funny, but the humour of there statement is very funny. We laugh at many things: death, pain, insult, idiots, clever people, many things. This is no different. Keep up the jokes we need them in this sad and demented world

      Daniel - 2011-07-29 08:53

      What's the funny part?

      Marni - 2011-07-29 09:08

      The funny part, my dear @Daniel, is that people like you get their panties in a knot, while the rest of us are laughing at you. It's not the salute that is funny, but the oversensitive reaction of others.

      Jay - 2011-07-29 10:44

      how many relatives did you hear talk about the torture the Nazi's put them through? how many talks by survivors have you been to? its not funny. 20million gays, Jews, christians died under that nutcase Hitler. there is nothing to laugh it, you cannot even make a joke of it, get that out of your mind.

      Xander Boonzaaier - 2011-07-30 16:42

      Wow!!! 20 million Jay!!! Really.

      Jay - 2011-08-01 12:52

      @ Xander. we only ever hear about the 6million Jews he killed. the rest of Europe also suffered, not always in concentration camps. that is approx how many people died in WWII thanx to the nutter. didn't you know that? @ Sparkles: the article isn't about the plight of the Jewish people, just that we cannot afford to idolise a mass murderer like Hitler, even in a joke. I am sorry that you don't see it that way :( There were others like him in later years - it should never happen again! look at Milosevic of the Bosnian war and what about Rwanda. These were all acts of ethnic cleansing etc. i could never joke about what happened in Rwanda as it was so shocking but i suppose it would be ok on your favourite radio station.

  • PrinceCharle - 2011-07-29 08:30

    I was listening to the show when they suggested and thought to myself that it was not a very good idea. What were they thinking? I don't think it was Rob Forbes though, he's away on leave at the until next week.

      clintmilne - 2011-07-29 08:57

      you are right dude! It was Retief vd liefde doing the show. Rob is on leave. get your facts right news24...

  • WolfieDMX - 2011-07-29 08:31

    I really dont understand why the hell people make such a story about it when we can allow a communist party to rule over us. Man, people are stupid :P

      Marni - 2011-07-29 09:10

      Tsk, tsk, tsk Daniel, your ANC-petticoat is sticking out...

      Atoombom - 2011-07-29 09:13

      ...a communist and a terrorist organization. That's what's happening in SA. Churchill changed the rules of the war and started killing innocent Germans on passenger boats. That's when Hitler decided to play along with the new rules. Get your facts straight. Also, these english plonkers raped and killed boer women and children in concentration camps.

      TumaK - 2011-07-29 09:23

      @Daniel - open your eyes - what does expropriation of land without compensation mean - even it is not the official ANC mantra yet, it is going to be soon...

  • Theoniel Bosman - 2011-07-29 08:37

    AWESOME where do sign up for this Costume dressing...ha ha ha...please people, grow up!

  • TinyGreen - 2011-07-29 08:41

    I was also listening - If I'm not mistaken it was Retief pappa Liefde that were standing in for Rob. When they suggested it, they specifically stated that it had no reference to the Nazi movement, but merely mocking their funny salute. I that context, I cannot see why people are offended?

  • Walter - 2011-07-29 08:43

    What's all the hue and cry about? Couple of university students playing it off and there's a protest! Sounds like a few more Malema's out there! Let's have some humour in this world.

  • Pupuzela - 2011-07-29 08:46

    Maroela men's hostel at TUKS had a formal dinner with a NAZI theme in the '80's and that even triggered a special meeting at the UN.

  • Rose - 2011-07-29 08:53

    Kobus, you should go educate yourself on the diffirence between National Socialist and Communism!!!! Go read the 88 Precepts and Mein Kampf!!!! Nazi's hated and fought against Communism!!! 14/88

      Kobus - 2011-07-29 10:23

      The only reason Hitler fought against communism was because it prevented him from total rule! He never directly and openly expressed his opposition to communism. When he was defeated, he was in the process of attacking Russia with the express goal of governing the Balkan states.

  • JitteKerl - 2011-07-29 09:02

    would you joke about the hector pieterson picture and youth day? (for example) some things are not meant to be funny

  • Melissa Jedeikin - 2011-07-29 09:04

    Disgusting! There are certain things you CANNOT make a joke about. 6 million Jews killed by the nazis is not something anyone should EVER joke about!

      Neil - 2011-07-29 10:18

      They weren't joking about the amount of jews killed you fool! They were joking about the actual salute and how idiotic it looks. Think for a minute with me, don't you think that they were poking fun at Hitler instead of the jews? You're a typical complaining Santonite.

      JJ - 2011-07-29 10:34

      Seriously, some things are funny and some things aren't. Genocide isn't.

      Lanfear - 2011-07-29 13:12

      Oh FFS! Humans make jokes about absolutely EVERYTHING! From the worst disasters to the best feel-good stories. The Holocaust, Nazis and WWII do not have some special dispensation that its exempt from humanity's penchant for making maccabre jokes. Besides, why is always just the "six million Jews" that are mentioned when the Nazis and their atrocities are discussed? Many more millions died after all and many other atrocities were committed by both sides of that war. Wow, I am sick and tired of everything being oh-so-politically correct all the time! They were ridiculing Hitler and the Nazis with their silly salute, not praising them!

  • Jannie Swem - 2011-07-29 09:04

    to those who complianed, the posing is regardes as ridiculing the person you are posing as.. hence showing a sign of disrespect towards the victim of the joke... in this case Hitler.. so why would you complain about hitler being ridiculed..? he deserves worse..

  • Jannie Swem - 2011-07-29 09:07

    Gherard, forbes is on leave please correct your print... it was his stand in... facts before publishing

  • Ben - 2011-07-29 09:13

    I wish people would stop being so over sensitive. Yes it was horrific. Been a student of WW2 for most of my life. But come on... Monty Python's has been going at it since the early 70's. You do a good Hitler, it's funny. Move on.

      Marla Singer - 2011-07-29 09:34

      Exacery!!! :) Agreed

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-07-29 10:04

      Hitler stole the Indian Swastika & even the term "Aryan" don't hear us moaning...

      Marla Singer - 2011-07-29 10:18

      @King Solomon - It were a joke!! Not all jokes are funny to everyone. Such is life! Relax

  • Johannvw13 - 2011-07-29 09:18

    if the germans were in charge we would not have had the nonsense we have today, and my "friend" malema wont excist.

      Observer - 2011-07-29 11:03

      And unless you're a blonde haired and blue-eyed German, I doubt very much that you'd also exist.

  • TumaK - 2011-07-29 09:20

    People have become way too sensitive and have lost their sense of humour... We are becoming a nanny state/world...

  • Marc Daniel Davies - 2011-07-29 09:31

    Oh my goodness... you people make me ashamed to be white. Why is News24 ALWAYS plagued by whiny, irritating, immature people. You have a right to your opinion, yes, and you SHOULD express it. HOWEVER, this is an article about TUKS FM, not about the ANC. Everything in context people. The bottom line is that this may be funny to some people, but to others whose Jewish grandparents or parents lived during WW2 this is NOT funny. Just shows how people are so completely immersed in their own lives and their own perspectives.

      Trev - 2011-07-29 10:02

      Amen to that, brother.

      nvl - 2011-07-29 10:54

      @Marc Ag shame, go listen to some Mozart, Beethoven Samuel Barber, look at some paintings of Leonardo da vinci sculptures of Michelangelo, read some Shakespeare, look at Chris Barnard and his ground breaking surgery maybe then you will feel better about yourself.

  • Chantelle Breedt - 2011-07-29 09:33

    By the way, Rob Forbes has been on leave for 2 weeks. The DJ on air was Retief van der Liefde. Not Rob.

      Sipho_news - 2011-08-04 08:46

      Wakey, wakey, if you have been listening to the show you would have known.

  • Marla Singer - 2011-07-29 09:33

    Seriously people - WOW! It was a freaken joke. LOL @all wet nappies - Gosh!! Lighten up a little.

  • DerpyHooves - 2011-07-29 09:34

    They elevated their arms are a 50 degree angle? How dare they do that! Did they Nazi the backlash that will result because of this? Anne Frankly I’m tired everyone being so sensitive. Anyway, it’s ok for me to joke about it, because my grandfather died at Auschwitz, he fell out of the guard tower. Am I reich?

  • Prontuit - 2011-07-29 09:36

    @ Daniel. Danny-boy, this is students we are dealing with here. They do this kind of stuff you know. You know what amazes me is the whole world's hype over the holocaust. The reason for this hype being jews in control of the media of course. I mean, what about the thousands of boer women & children who died in British concentration camps? Do you know how many people died because of religion during the dark ages of Roman Catholic inquisitions? Where's the hype here? Question: If I dress myself up with khaki clothes and a hat, will black people be offended because that reminds them about apartheid? Or mayby I should be offended when L.Shcuster dress himself up like a black man because so many white farmers has died since at the hands of such brutality. Keep the logic man!

      Lanfear - 2011-07-29 13:16

      Fully Agreed! So gatvol for all the political correctness and the hammering on the the Holocaust. Yes it was terrible, but so was the genocide in Rwanda, that nobody ever talks about. So was Stalin killing more than 20 million of his own people, that is never mentioned. And so forth. People get a grip, really.

  • KingKenny7 - 2011-07-29 09:36

    JOU MA!!!!

  • Reddit247 - 2011-07-29 09:47

    You are so insensitive! My grandfather was killed in a concentration camp. Yes, he got drunk en fell out of the guard tower!

  • Eric West - 2011-07-29 10:25

    Much ado about nothing!

  • WhiteEagle - 2011-07-29 10:28

    I respect the jewish faith as well as all other faith's, as everyone to their own, but the jews were not the only ones that sufferd under the mad evil man but also many millions of non jewish faith, and agreed that it should never be forgotten but the jews keep ramming this down everyones throut and nobody ever talks about the others that also suffered. Is this due to their arrogance of considering themselves as "Gods chosen people" ???

      Lanfear - 2011-07-29 13:17

      Also wonder why the other millions of non-Jews killed in the camps are hardly ever mentioned...

  • Dan - 2011-07-29 10:28

    Oh please, people should get a life. Malema is much more of an insult to the human race than this joke was to a group of Jews. People should get a bit of perspective in their lives or rather get a life.

  • sheep - 2011-07-29 10:36

    I was born in communist Poland where even till today if you look close enough you can still see the effects of the war, and in Poland jokes like this aren't appreciated much, nor are they appreciated by the Germans. Personally I make a nazi joke here and there, but I do think they went quite a bit too far with this one. A touch on the insensitive side, considering they have a wide base of listeners. I'm also surprised they're too arrogant to apologize. I don't have much respect for that sort of attitude, you might as well join the ANCYL, you're already resembling their members

      Lanfear - 2011-07-29 13:18

      This is South Africa, not Europe. Here we don't lock people up because they dare to have a different opinion [for example as they do in Germany iro the Holocaust].

  • ThatGuySaid - 2011-07-29 10:36

    What is probably the most shocking to me is that a National institution such as News24 can make such a simple mistake as getting the "culprit" wrong! How on this green earth can you take anything they say serious after this?! Maybe they should concentrate less on the copying, pasting and translating of a text and rather on accurate information!!

  • Iris Brooks - 2011-07-29 10:48

    I am a tremendous fan of Tuks FM and was shocked to find that News24 reported on this matter so heinously. As I understand it, the first rule of journalism is to get the name right? Maybe you should get the rules of basic reporting right before writing such a biased piece. You clearly did not even listen to the show in which this featured, and you're taking the story completely out of context. Lighten up people; the world is gloomy enough as it is. There are worst things happening in the world that you can bitch about than ridiculing Hitler.

  • Jynxd - 2011-07-29 10:56

    HA!HA!HA! Best way to deal with trauma... joke about it. Sensible.

  • The Dude - 2011-07-29 11:19

    What the hell it’s a joke it’s not like they are going to color their hair white and start walking in lines down the road, and please news24 get the name correct it wasn’t even Rod Forbes, you guys are to stuck up, like I said it’s a JOKE!!!!!

  • Ange - 2011-07-29 11:57

    Check this out....

  • Celeste - 2011-07-29 12:15

    Oh, please! Build a bridge etc etc. There are lots of Nazi/Jewish jokes around - I know a few myself. People have always used humour as part of dealing with dreadful things - the Amy Winehouse ones are starting to make the rounds already!

      Lanfear - 2011-07-29 13:20

      Yup, already received a couple of Amy Winehouse jokes... hehe

  • Christo de Beer - 2011-07-30 13:10

    Congratulations moaners, you got some attention. As for the inaccurate reporting in this article... bad form Gerhard, really bad. Here's my response: And yes, it features pics of people doing some Nazi'ing. Have fun.

  • BB - 2011-08-01 09:19

    Please note that the facts are incorrect, as Rob Forbes was on leave in the Kruger National Park when this occurred. It might be better journalistic practise for facts to be verified before assumed to be true.

  • PrinceCharle - 2011-08-01 09:20

    News24, please get your facts straight. Rob Forbes has been away on leave for the last 2 weeks. He had nothing to do with this. Please fix up your story. The poor guy is being bombarded with hate mail. Extremely poor reporting! A TuksFM Listener.

  • the mc - 2011-08-02 18:48

    i wonder if the kids will be disciplined...what if they start making jokes about the recent killing of cops?

  • mildlyamused - 2011-09-27 16:02

    People are such drama junkies, really. Why must we deliberately get ourselves worked up over the silliest things?! It's called HUMOR, people, HUMOR! Don't you people have more important things to worry about? Gosh darnit... No wonder there's never anything good on TV these days. All this "politically correct" bs is SO annoying.

  • Sum1 - 2011-09-27 16:42

    What a bunch of pussies! Why complain about something so stupid?? Get a life retards!

  • litefeather - 2011-09-28 09:48

    just shows how a tiny group can make a whole clan look evil,saying the nazi's were bad is exactly as saying "BLACK""or 'WHITE"IS bad,it is true the nazi's is still one of the best militaries ever,it is a myth that the Nazi's were bad,also the same as asuming all people covered with white skin are automatically members of awb,or if your black your anc???

  • Lane - 2012-01-25 14:58

    There is absolutely no room in South Africa's democracy for students to make comments about the Nazi racist doctrine which condemned anyone to death who did not conform. The very students who made these comments may well have family who were killed in one of the worst, worse than evil periods in our recent history. If they are not disciplined let alone expelled from the university for hate speech then it will bring disgrace on an excellent university let alone on South Africa's reputation abroad. We have a Bill of Rights for good reason and this type of outburst needs to be treated with the contempt it deserves. is a shame on all that fought for peace and democracy in this country.

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