Philip - 2011-03-16 09:27
This makes me sick ... respect the dead and let them rest in peace
Die Blou Ou - 2011-03-16 10:04
I agree, it makes me want to vomit on my jersey
L_Savage - 2011-03-16 10:26
So by your logic we should respect people like Hitler? I mean from a certain point of view he was a brilliant, but flawed leader too. And he's dead, so we really shouldn't talk badly about him.
Seriously the fact that someone has died should really have little relevance to the way we judge their lives. What is history if not an opportunity to learn from past mistakes. This idiotic tendency to ignore all the bad that people did out of some misguided "respect" for the dead hampers us from ever learning from the past, and importantly from avoiding those mistakes in the future.
galmaker - 2011-03-16 10:28
Leave Hansie...he went on FakHansie. Blou Ou...would that be your Bulls Jersey? Another lousy sportsman was Carl Weathers in Rocky 2.
Die Blou Ou - 2011-03-16 11:10
@galmaker: Apollo Creed was the lousy sportsman. Carl Weathers was the lousy actor.
chez - 2011-03-16 11:18
thats the most stupid comment ever. why must we respect people just because they are dead? an a-hole is an a-hole, dead or alive!
daaivark - 2011-03-16 11:31
@ L_Savage: A bit of a bloody leap there, ou, to compare a cricketer to Hitler. Get some perspective, please.
Picasso - 2011-03-16 13:16
Respect is earned, you don't just get it. How do death justify sudden respect (unless you gave your life for someone else)? If Malema die tomorrow I must suddenly respect him, WTF?
Death is highly over rated, it is not like it is something special that only a few elite people experience or happen to.
L_Savage - 2011-03-16 16:40
daaivark: No dude, I am not comparing Hansie to Hitler, even if both their names begin with the letter H.
I am pointing out the flaw in Philip's statement that we must "respect the dead" simply because they are dead.
Even though Hansie's crimes against humanity pale in comparison with Hitler's the *principle* is the same. There are very good lessons to be learned from Hansie's life. To ignore those, and not learn from them, would mean that Hansie's life was a real waste.
ebdg3000 - 2011-03-17 10:07
@ Savage: ?? - logic a bit skewed there, chap. Do you find your friends ever giving you odd sideways looks ...?
lenand40 - 2011-03-17 10:43
You cannot respect a criminal just because they are dead. Do you respect Hitler, Stalin, etc?
L_Savage - 2011-03-17 12:12
@edbg3000: Brilliant reasoning there chap! I mean I can now TOTALLY see the flaws in my logic, since you have done such a great job of pointing them out to me. [/sarcasm]
Seriously though, the logic is plain and simple:
Original poster stated: "respect the dead";
Fact: Hitler is dead;
Logical conclusion: Original poster is suggesting we should respect Hitler.
I cannot understand how any reasonably intelligent person cannot see the logic.
Maybe if you actually bother to elaborate on what part of my logic doesn't add up it would be of value. But I am guessing you can't. You are simply offended because you assume (do to the limitations of your capacity for logical reasoning) that I am insinuating that Hansie should be despised in the same way as Hitler.
Except I never said that. My original post does not even mention Hansie. It was a simple retort the original poster's very much flawed general sweeping statement.
My actual point, which I stated quite clearly first time round, and paraphrased here is: Society has developed a stupid habit of passing up the opportunity to learn from past mistakes by sugar-coating our memories of the deceased.
frik.brits - 2011-03-16 09:36
Philip de Bruin seems to have no respect for the dead.
As for this so-called survey ... Waste of time.
Write about something useful.
Alexis75 - 2011-03-16 09:43
The writer of this article is only reporting on what Sports Illustrated asked their readers. Pay attention!
Epicurius - 2011-03-16 10:22
@ Alexis75 - but Phillip De Bruin had full control over the title he chose for his article did he not? And like most journalists, or wannabe journalists that this, he chose a factually incorrect, sensationalist title to attract hits. I would love to see the manner in which these questions were posed to the survey participants. Were the sportsmen named in the survey questions? Or were the participants given the freedom to name their own 'object of hatred' without any influence from the surveyor??
Winston - 2011-03-16 09:38
... what about the fact that Hansie himself came forward to confess... He could have just kept quite. Shows what type of person he really was! I will always have respect for Hansie! R.I.P Captain my captain!
Sickly - 2011-03-16 10:12
Hansie was a loser, he only "came forwarded" because he was busted. Then he blames the devil... seriously wtf? He betrayed the country, plain and simple and it's not like it was a once off either. Finally he also involved others and was able to do so using his influence as captain which is a complete abuse of authority. Like a said, a loser.
Pianoforte - 2011-03-16 12:10
@ Sickly - Actually, he didn't blame the devil. "The Devil made me do it" was just a typical example of News24's usual cheap, sensationalist headlines - the ultimate in shoddy journalism. Anyone who read past the headline would have seen that Hansie said that he was tempted, and that he gave in to temptation, ie Hansie was admitting his own responsibility. The devil can't make anyone do anything they don't already want to do.
Winston - 2011-03-16 13:26
My apologies SICKLY... you obviously know a-shit-load-more than me. He knew he had betrayed the country, this is why he came forward. He was obviously bothered by this alot! Whatever the case may be, nobody is perfect and WE ALL sometimes do things that we are ashamed about.
L_Savage - 2011-03-16 16:46
Winston, Hansie did not come forward at all. What he did was pretend to "come clean" in an effort to implement some kind of damage control, but only in response to the fact that he was already exposed.
The true measure of the man is that while he was standing in front of the nation pretending to come clean, he was still hiding most of the truth and lying to our faces. The only things Cronjé ever "came clean" about were the things that had already been exposed.
The King commission found he was still lying and hiding things and I honestly doubt they even found even half the dirty secrets Hansie had been hiding.
Sorry mate, but if Hansie had been fully honest during his first public statement, and confessed to things that the authorities hadn't already figured out for themselves, then I would be able to swallow his tale in the same naive manner as many other of his fans did.
HardHitter - 2011-03-17 12:32
@sickly - its funny that Shane Warne and Mark Waugh have been allowed to play further, after found guilty of the same offence. You know who nailed Hansie, Ali Bacher... he wanted to 'kruip'. He got grilled because he was white and AFRIKAANS. Had Hansie played longer, he would have won the World Cup for SA. Fantastic captain and batsmen.
GILLBERT - 2011-03-16 09:41
that survey was probly done by malema
Gorilla - 2011-03-16 09:41
No wonder we lose talent in SA. a "haters" list. Hansie, which ever way you look at him, was an incredible talent and a brilliant captain. May he rest in peace, and all you hansie haters, have some respect for his family ffs.
Zee - 2011-03-16 14:59
Finally a sane person - well said mate.
lenand40 - 2011-03-17 10:46
Didn't they make a movie about him? If so, did anyone complain?
Melissa - 2011-03-16 09:55
What about Joost???
Pocahontas - 2011-03-16 10:01
anna - 2011-03-16 10:29
Ja nee my magtag!
PinkSparkle - 2011-03-16 09:57
Yet that low life of a Herschelle Gibbs didn't make the list...uh yeah I forgot, driving drunk, smoking weed and just bringing your country's name in disrepute is a National Sport as well
lenand40 - 2011-03-17 10:47
Telling the truth somehow changes people's perspective about you. Surprised Smith did not make the list
Thelma - 2011-03-16 09:58
I loved and alway will love Hansie Cronje...he is greatly missed!!!!
Riaan - 2011-03-16 10:13
What a kak article. Hansie is a Legend!!!!!
willow - 2011-03-16 10:13
When a sportsman takes bribes - what kind of a message is he sending to our politicians.
PinkSparkle - 2011-03-16 10:24
At least he acknowledged his wrong doings and asked for forgiveness.....unlike our politicians who deny their wrongdoings and call it racist.
Buti - 2011-03-16 12:15
When politician take bribes, what message are they sending to our sportsmen, think of that first...
Howzitekse - 2011-03-17 03:52
Willow is right. The rot started with Hansie.
Epicurius - 2011-03-16 10:16
Maybe some newspaper should run a 'Top 10 politicians we hate' survey
Spazman - 2011-03-16 10:21
Hansie is one of the most loved sporting hero's SA ever had...
Who ever done this survey must have been smoking something
Theo - 2011-03-16 10:33
He without ??? cast the first comment about Hansie.
les_ - 2011-03-16 10:47
Hey L_Savage what do have against Hitler??
Just_saying - 2011-03-16 10:52
How can you not have Earl Rose on that list? The only people who like him is his dad and P Divvy.
Also Ricky Januarie, even the W.P. supporters don't like him...another drunk driving, court hearing avoiding sportsman for the youth of SA to look up to.
Hezekiel Sepeng banned from competition after a positive doping test for nandrolone.
Luis Suarez, does anyone in Africa like him after his antics at the world cup?
Benni McCarthy and maybe Joost to name a few others
Henry - 2011-03-16 10:55
Hansie was made a scapegoat for all the match fixing and corruption in cricket. Australia did not crucify their payers, and they were involved in the same thing! He did however make a mistake, and payed dearly for it. What happened to forgiveness in this country!??? He will always be one of my heroes!! What a captain...what a gentleman!!
lenand40 - 2011-03-17 10:53
Gentlemen do not use the weak to enact their diabolical plots. Captains do not work against their teams
Andre - 2011-03-16 11:00
I will never hate Hansie but Luke I do hate,he is coming to P.E.waiting for it I will be booing him and Cheeky real loser.
georgelopez - 2011-03-16 11:09
This is a pathetic sensationalist article. Hansie was a legend, maybe one day when you long gone people will hate your articles in a survey too...Oh no wait they wont, they wont know your name.
willow - 2011-03-16 11:19
Gee Hansie n nogge kansie.
debbiesm - 2011-03-16 11:20
Why can't people leave Hansie alone. Let him rest in peace. People must Remember that Hansie was not the only player caught out unfortunately he was the only onethat was thrown into the fire. The rest of them got a slap on the wrist and that was that.it was sad that SA decided to make an example of him. But he still one of my Heroes
daaivark - 2011-03-16 11:30
Hate is such a strong word. He messed up. He's dead. Just leave it alone.
Viv - 2011-03-16 11:34
Oh please - all those people whinging on about being disrespectful about the dead need to really loosen up. What's the difference if the okes are dead or not. Just because someone is dead doesnt excuse them of their poor behaviour when they were alive. Bend over and remove stick. Hansie did what he did and he will always be 'that guy' whether he is alive or dead. What he did damaged his own career and image. Hansie did it to himself and only has himself to blame for the hatred people still feel towards him. He ruined cricket for a lot of people -not everyone, but alot. I do think that the survey really is a rubbish as there are far too many players out there who are complete tools to have a real list. But for now Hansie is top of that list so DEAL WITH IT
Rammsteen - 2011-03-16 11:55
If you look at the list, it is obvious that these are all masters at their game. Funny Michael Schumacher, Eric Cantona and John McEnroe are not on the list, being all a bit eccentric they were / are the world's best. Shows you how idiotic we can be - firstly to be led into voting for the most hated & secondly to hate someone that is no more.
louis.kriel - 2011-03-16 12:27
Pathetic!!!!!! We love Hansie, leave him alone!!!
WCD - 2011-03-16 12:49
Was Hitler a sportsman ?
Goebels - 2011-03-16 13:07
Poor, poor article. Whoever hates Hansie is obviously without fault. The man was crucified for his mistake, and no-one can say he got off lightly. He took his punishment and carried on with his life. I respect him for that.
Mellicins - 2011-03-16 13:28
Um, where is Habana on this list? He should get first prize
Molly - 2011-03-16 13:42
Hmmm, in all fairness to Kevin Pietersen, I'd also be negative if I couldn't play for my country owing to the quota system! Good for him for making a career elsewhere!
Viv - 2011-03-16 14:43
Okay Molly he went to play somewhere else as he was unhappy with the quota system. But that does not give him the right to bad mouth SA the way he did/does. Apply your trade where you like but dont expect people to sit around and let you bash their home. Pietersen is an ugly, small willy troll.
L_Savage - 2011-03-16 17:00
Except Molly, that simply isn't true. A great many white South Africans (eg:Steyn, Morkel, Van Wyk, Ingram, du Plessis all of whom played in our last CWC game) have been selected for SA since then, thus disproving his allegation that Cricket SA had rejected him on the basis of his race.
The reason we find the guy distasteful is that instead of accepting his rejection with grace and introspection, he chose instead to "attack" SA by levelling a bunch unsubstantiated and non-factual accusations against the nation as an excuse for his own failures.
steve hall - 2011-03-16 14:04
What an extremely poor article. I know, I know it is from Sports Illustrated. However, using info from that "survey" (I have no idea how many readers they have left as I haven't bought one in 5 years) as a basis for an article is junk journalism. Have you done ANY further investigation to see if it supports this survey? As for Hansie - hey that man broke my heart, but being God-fearing and a human being I forgave him (not that that counts for a lot in the big scheme of things). This must be a huge slap in the face of his family to have his name dragged through the mud again how many years after his death. And for what? A "survey" from a magazine that very few people still read? Admit it, we only buy it for the calender. And you Mr de Bruin are a lazy journalist.
patrickb - 2011-03-16 14:10
TO ALL THE HANSIE FANS:
In 1970 one of the finest cricket teams EVER, was banned from international cricket. Players like Richards, Pollock and Procter who would easily make any "Top 50 Greatest Cricketers of All Time" list, were denied international careers. Add to those names: Cook, Rice, P.Kirsten, Le Roux, Fotheringham, McKenzie etc etc. Men of the sort of talent that Cronje could only dream of.
Now think of our exclusion of 21 years, a period that did not affect Cronje's career by one second!
To do what this avaricious scum bag did, was to puke on the memories of all those greats that went before him. Men whose shoelaces he wasn't fit to tie.
I hate the bastard! Long may he be remembered for the rubbish he was.
Epicurius - 2011-03-16 14:34
@ patrickb - Google 'reaction formation', because you've got it bad. What are you so ashamed of? What did your neighbour do to you in his garage when you were 5? Come on, tell us, we're here for you bud, we won't judge?
Zee - 2011-03-16 15:06
They were denied international careers for a reason Patrick. Remember Basil d'Oliviera? Relax man, don't give yourself a heart attack.
Superdude - 2011-03-16 14:22
Hansie was a king on the cricket pitch, I choose to remember him by the way he absolutely murdered Shane Warne at the peak of his powers, something no ther batsman could do at the time.
He effed up off the field, havent we all, and got crucified for it. Move on!
Aldrich - 2011-03-16 14:27
Hansie was a YSTER...I hate Zuma and Malema more !!!!!
MBP - 2011-03-16 14:52
Speak for yourself, not all of us hates Hansie!!
caz.wardfaulha - 2011-03-16 15:28
Hansie, will always be part of SA's sporting history and a great part, yes he fell from grace, but it doesnt mean he didnt do a terrific job... I feel sorry for Hansie's family and Bertha, they have had to deal with all of this, the dead should be left in peace and families respected.... Common guys where is all our South African pride... Do we always have to compare and hurt others.... We all know what Hansie did, he made his mistake, apologised and atoned for it before he past... God Bless SA and the amazing spirit...
Wilco - 2011-03-16 15:37
I will never buy a SA sports ILLustrated again in my life!!
Francois Malan - 2011-03-16 15:52
Actually Wilco - It was the fans and readers that decided the list, not Sports Illustrated. You should therefore never speak to anyone ever again in your life!!!!
Epicurius - 2011-03-16 15:52
Never did buy it myself, but now there's a very good reason to never ever start buying it. Wonder if they'll have a claim against Philip De Bruin for loss of earnings? Oh, probably not, seeing as he just lazily copy/pasted their article from their website, in between playing Guitar Hero, drinking Nesquik and eating Melrose sarmies (cut into triangles, of course) in his Mom's lounge? Come on, Philip, don't tell me you have to actually go into an office to do what you do?
Epicurius - 2011-03-16 16:07
@ Francois Malan - We all know how 'surveys' can be loaded to get the answers people want. These things are steered in a certain direction from the outset. Come on man, be realistic, how could those questions have been posed in the survey? Were they posed like - 'Name any sports person, from any sport, for whom you have either positive or negative feelings and please describe how you feel about them for us, pretty please' OR, was a specific list of controversial sports personalities provided with tick-boxes with the options being 'not cool', 'mildly dislike', 'Dislike', 'Hate'. Come on man, anyone feeble-minded enough firstly, to participate in such a survey and secondly, to believe the results are in any way a reflection of the true feelings of the entire nation, needs to grow up a little. Man, this kind of survey belongs in a teen magazine, asking the teenage girls who is hotter? Vampires or Werewolves?
Francois Malan - 2011-03-16 16:10
Definitely vampires. Always hated Team Jacob.
diode - 2011-03-16 15:58
Hansie asked for forgiveness and showed remorse therefore Hansie is all forgiven from my side and his stats shows that he really was one of our best captians, but for puke watson sorry old chap you hav'nt appologised or showed remorse so he can stay overseas thank you.
L_Savage - 2011-03-16 17:20
The only thing Hansie was better at than cricket, was lying.
I do not for one second believe his apology was sincere or honest. Sorry to be so harsh, but when he got up in front of the nation to confess, with his teary eyes, his confession of weakness, and heartfelt plea for forgiveness, I was taken hook line and sinker. I defended the guy in front of my friends and colleagues, and took exactly the same approach you do diode.
Once the King commission got going, it quickly became clear that Hansie had not in fact come clean at all, and that there were many things he was still hiding.
In other words, his teary-eyed speech was all an act. The guy was lying through his teeth and we all bought it.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I am sorry, but Hansie's greatest talent was to play off the naiveté of his fans (amongst whom I count myself).
Sorry to break it to you: Hansie never cared about your forgiveness. He never felt remorse. He is only sorry he got caught and what it cost him.
Gomkop - 2011-03-16 16:48
Cronje was a great cricketer. period.
The rest is history and we are all hypocrites for projecting our failures and hopes on other people just to feel good about ourselves.
40 Something - 2011-03-16 20:43
Wow, all these perfect people commenting here! Must be such hard work being a saint. I guess none of you have EVER done anything wrong. Shampies.
Epicurius - 2011-03-16 21:58
Now at least the SA Sports Illustrated Marketing department have a good handle on their target demographic - Bitter, twisted, miserable individuals with a tendency to harbour unrelenting resentment against people who shatter their self imposed, idealistic notions about true human nature.
Sarah - 2011-03-16 22:51
I still think that Hansie was the best captain SA Cricket had. If you compare the actions of some of the cricket players of today - his crime does not seem that bad now. Let the guy rest in peace and give him the credit due to him. Remember the good and not the bad!!
CapeTownJunk - 2011-03-16 23:30
I find it revealing that many people who are overeager to forgive Hansie Cronje for what he did, are the exact same people who would never dream of forgiving Luke Watson - even if he scored a World Cup-winning try for the Springboks.
Let's face it, there's a bucketload of cultural preference at play when discussing Hansie Cronje. If you're one of his people (White Afrikaans Christian), you're far more likely to forgive him for what he did. Not because of what he did... but because he's one of your own.
Auds - 2011-03-17 02:53
But all South Africans love Adrian Vlok for kissing arse and washing ...... feet(you all so blind won't remember whose feet it was)now that is something to be proud of to me he is number one not some foreign sportsman and local boys that won't stoop to that level of supporting terrorists and a flag that to this day most still dislike,but come rugby and cricket and all is forgotten u are a 2 face nation.Hansie made a mistake but what is the difference between him and the politicians of before and today and yet you love and support them ha..ha..funny.
Micheal Tryon - 2011-03-17 06:45
Hansie Cronje was a brilliant crickter. Stop wasting money and time on worthless surveys which is conducted amongst a handful of morons that don't even know they sport. Let the guy rest in peace!!
Mark - 2011-03-17 09:19
Luis Suarez??? That's my number one
HardHitter - 2011-03-17 12:34
you, ManU??? ha ha ha ha...
Adele - 2011-03-17 09:46
Maybe News24 can start the survey abouth Hansie and lets see the truth in numbers and not restricted to SI readers.
ebdg3000 - 2011-03-17 10:06
Well, I'm so glad that I don't read Sports Illustrated because I'd hate to be categorised with a bunch of people who can actually HATE sportsmen and women - it's just a game people!
ebdg3000 - 2011-03-17 10:18
Under Cronje's captaincy, South Africa won 27 Tests and lost 11, completing series victories against every team except Australia.
He captained the One Day International team to 99 wins out of 138 matches with one tied match and three no results. He holds the South African record for matches captained in and matches won as captain. His 99 wins as captain makes him the third most successful captain worldwide in terms of matches won, behind Ricky Ponting and Allan Border, and in terms of percentage of wins (73.70), behind Ponting and Clive Lloyd.
Between September 1993 and March 2000, he played in 162 consecutive ODIs, a South African record.
Makes you think, doesn't it?
L_Savage - 2011-03-17 12:25
Yup, it does indeed. Avarice is a powerful motivator.
lenand40 - 2011-03-17 10:42
This list seems to be a white people's list. Please do not forget that South Africans have different perspectives when it comes to sport. I mean really, how many South Africans know of Clyde Rathbone? Also, who still remember the Motsoeneng twins? I suggest that the media created this list and asked their friends. Watson is likely loved in the black community, while I would suggest McCarthy may not be so loved.
Sparks_Spark - 2011-03-17 13:52
HANSIE IS A LEGEND, FINISH AND KLAAR! RIP old friend.
Janine - 2011-03-17 14:56
Hansie was a great cricketer and captain. Unfortunately he was also crooked. The problem lies with people making sportsmen into some type of gods and role models.