Cosatu condemns TopTV porn channels

2012-01-19 07:33

Johannesburg - The three proposed 24-hour adult channels from TopTV, showing pornographic films, will exploit and demean women and girls, trade union federation Cosatu said on Wednesday.

"Cosatu is totally opposed to such channels, which we believe will reinforce sexist attitudes and encourage the abuse of women, which is already a massive problem," spokesperson Patrick Craven said.

In a letter to Collin Matjila, the CEO of Kopano ke Matla Investment Company, a TopTV shareholder, Cosatu demands TopTV scrap these channels, or that Kopano not invest further in the company.

"Such programmes will contribute to a lowering of moral standards in the country and further erode the revolutionary morality of our struggle movement."

Public hearings

Craven said in the letter that the union federation could not be seen to be condoning and funding these pornographic channels as Kopano ke Matla Investment Company managed Cosatu's investments.

"So, it can be seen as Cosatu's money used to invest in TopTV, therefore we call on the scrapping of these three channels," he said.

On Monday, the Johannesburg High Court ruled TopTV may not broadcast pornography without the permission of the Independent Communications Authority of SA (Icasa).

The pay channel applied to Icasa in September for permission to flight three porn channels, but decided to go ahead without Icasa's decision when it had received no response after two months.

Icasa made an urgent application to the high court early in January to halt the move until the end of the month.

Public hearings were now being held and Icasa would consider the submissions made before making a decision on January 31.

Comments

  • deabreu - 2012-01-19 07:52

    Thats odd, I did not realise Cosatu was against grabbing all the money they can get their hands on, and it is not as if Cosatu is doing this on religious grounds as they don't seem to have much in terms morals and standards.

      Alan - 2012-01-19 08:11

      I have to say that there are several issues that I support COSATU on (not all).They seem to be an effective watchdog when the ANC fails to respond to legitimate issues.

      Squeegee - 2012-01-19 08:32

      Its an indictment of our society when COSATU has to be our moral voice. WHere are the women's organizations, churches, and other social organizations?

      kobiester - 2012-01-19 08:59

      What they are saying doesnt make sense to me, the groups of people that abuse the woman are usually the drinking/less educated/peverty striken people. Not the people that actually can afford top tv. ban alcohol, not porn. Ppl wil get hands on it regardless. The tv channel just wants to make a buck out of it,and why not. Better to me than ppl selling alcohol, which really destroys lives. Skeinheilige idiots having their say, while at home they prob have stacks of dvd's hidden.

      rbczovczov - 2012-01-19 13:37

      "Such programmes will contribute to a lowering of moral standards in the country and further erode the revolutionary morality of our struggle movement." I haven't heard this much bullcrap since Fidel Castro's United Nations General Assembly marathon speeches. Zuma and his cheating ministers have done more harm to our moral standards than these channels can ever do.

  • Hans - 2012-01-19 07:56

    Google is worse than these channels. You can find anything on the net for free!

      Riƫtte - 2012-01-19 09:23

      Point is kevin, it won't help ranting about porn channels, which can be blocked, if the internet has much more porno-stuff available at the click of a mouse!

      Hans - 2012-01-19 11:03

      @Kevin, sis on you too girl. You really think that the average school kid is typing National Geographic on his/her smart phone? You must be relly naive.Almost every kid has a Black Berry or some other form of cell phone that can access the internet.

      rbczovczov - 2012-01-19 13:34

      Oh lord! Can someone please tell these retards that these porn channels are not going to be dished out to the public for free! They are only for adults who make the conscious decision to subscribe and can afford it. The last time I checked, children cannot subscribe on their own and majority of them cannot afford the subscription fees. This service is much safer than INTERNET PORN which children can access at will.

  • Tieneke - 2012-01-19 08:04

    What a lot of BS. Women that want to do porn and earn bloody good money are not being exploited! Stop being hypocrites. Porn is a business, if you don't like don't watch it. If there is a demand for it somebody that is business savvy can meet the demand. Good luck TOPTV.

      Final.Punishment - 2012-01-19 09:13

      Not just that.. "will exploit and demean women and girls" - what about the men, men also get undressed and do the dirty deed. This is a bussiness and sex sells.

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-19 09:21

      @Kevin Sadie like the drugs aren't already here. Please climb out from your rock every now and then, go visit a sex shop , there are plenty around . Why don't you close their doors because they will exploit and demean women and girls. While your there catch a flick it might teach you something about the female body. And what does this mean, "Tomorrow u find ur kids watching porn and eating nicnaks" . There is porn in school already with technology available to most kids. Do you want to stop that too ? How about forcing religion while your at it ? Damn the man.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-19 09:39

      @Tieneke!!! You tell them!!! These small-minded people really need a wake-up call

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-19 09:40

      @Kevin: The prohibition of drugs causes drug cartels... not porn or anything else. If there is a black market for something, the seediness will emerge. And that has nothing to do with porn.

      Len - 2012-01-19 09:47

      @Kevin Sadie Porn already exists. Your kids are probably watching porn and eating niknaks already, without Top TV. The link between TopTV showing porn and drug cartels needs a little bit of elaboration. The sex industry does not rely on porn. It exists on its own and the more hypocritical society is, the better for this industry. One can get porn for free on the internet, Kevin. There are several porn shops in the country and magazines too. So, if we apply your logic, drug cartels are already here

      Zurika - 2012-01-19 11:21

      Tieneke, you are so uninformed...go visit http://www.thepinkcross.org/ for the TRUTH about the porn industry,from ex-porn "stars", and see actual footage of how women are abused and exploited.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-19 12:00

      @Zurika: Obviously there are SOME women that are abused and degraded, but they are the one's that are in the industry for the wrong reasons, and do not stand up for themselves. If you let people walk all over you, you have only yourself to blame.

  • clifton.andrews - 2012-01-19 08:07

    Nobody cares what Cosatu says. Three porn channels on a subscription based service for consenting adults is nothing compared to crippling an entire country through strike action.

  • Sechaba - 2012-01-19 08:29

    this is a pay channel and people will subscribe to these porn channels mos??? people will be paying to have access to those channels!!!!!!!! if you dont want porn channels then simple do not subscribe to them, leave people who want them to enjoy, there are lot of non-christians but we have christian channels and i bet non-christians dont turn into those channels as they dont find them interesting..... i also suggest Icasa to stop the easy access of pornographic material on the internet, i mean it is easy and cheap to get it over the net

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-19 09:44

      @Sechaba what you proposed there is called censorship. And a censored society is not a free society (aka apartheid government banning books, films etc...)

  • Rich - 2012-01-19 08:41

    Well done Cosatu! What you say is exactly right.

      Len - 2012-01-19 09:50

      They have porn channels in Europe and America and last I heard, their women are not better off than our women. In fact, the exploited women are unlikely to have husbands who can afford these channels

  • Glenn - 2012-01-19 08:42

    My biggest concern here has nothing to do with the porn on TV and the possible side effects on the SA psyche. Instead, its what does COSATU have to do with this at all? That is the fundamental problem with the ANC alliance. COSATU is a political party without being a political party! What I mean is, COSATU have a direct input into policy making and politics without having anyone vote for them in any election. The same with the SACP - I doubt they would garner 5% of the local vote, yet through their alliance they get an effective voice in SA policy and politics. COSATU is a trade union and thus their mandate should only be concerned with workers and the work environment; not the degeneration of morals in South African society (in this case) or any other debates regarding non-work related policy, politics and the like.

      Len - 2012-01-19 09:52

      They are investors too

  • Klaus - 2012-01-19 09:09

    But corruption, broken promises, greed and exploitation in other areas is ok?

  • Enlightened - 2012-01-19 09:19

    Firstly, I think it is interesting to note that countries where pornography has been legal for decades, just happen to be those where women enjoy the highest standing of any society, countries such as Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Germany, The Netherlands.Those are irrefutable facts and I have never, NEVER heard of women being asaulted there for wearing a mini skirt. Secondly, needless to say that these movies are made by consenting adults and viewed by same: consenting adults. We have to understand that this is the 21st century and people are, or should be entitled to their own free choices. Whilst I don't personally watch this type of movie, I certainly never would be judgmental over someone who feels differently. Don't like it? Dont't watch. I promise you, it will never become compulsory

  • Gerda - 2012-01-19 09:32

    Not being a huge fan of Cosatu, sometimes I agree with their reasoning and this one is definitely one of them. Thank you for joining those that are opposed to pornography channels. I know your voice will be heard.

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-19 09:35

    FFS you guys, where is the the PROOF that porn causes abuse, rape, degrading of morals? Rape, abuse, people with low morals and values etc... have been around for thousands of years before porn came around. So how exactly will porn make things worse? I don't see how it degrades women... when SEX IS THE MOST NATURAL BEAUTIFUL THING EVER, and these woman are consenting adults. Self-righteous people are morons.

      Alan - 2012-01-19 09:57

      Truly - your logic is pathetic. If something is bad and perverted and already exists, your logic is that to make it worse is ok! And if porn sex is 'beautiful'to you, it only goes to show how porn affects minds.

      Len - 2012-01-19 10:16

      @Alan Porn exists in more progressive countries where women rights are part and parcel of their existence. Countries like Sweden, Denman, Germany, France, etc have a relaxed attitude towards porn. If one then applies logic, which you seem to be a proponent of, one is left with a feeling that your opposition and that of Cosatu is not based on any empirical evidence that access to porn on TV has any bearing on how women are treated. Furthermore, how is an exclusive channel only accessible by those willing to pay going to make things worse, when there are far more easier and less controlled ways of accessing porn? If you go to the internet and enter a couple of pornographic words on google, you will be inundated with sites showing you just about every part of the anatomy in HD. You need not pay for these and many a kid will have access to it very easily. At the very least, TopTV access is paid for, which makes it exclusive and can also be controlled by adults. It is therefore illogical in my view to claim that anyone who does not see the point made by Patrick Craven has pathetic logic. I, for one, will not subscribe to the channels. I prefer the real thing and if I ever wanted porn, I will go to the nearest porn shop (so many are available in the country) and purchase what I need and watch it at home and I suspect it will still be cheaper than TopTV. However, I prefer to let people deem what they want to watch, wouldn't you?

      Alan - 2012-01-19 10:58

      @Lenand. I take your points, but contend that adding to the 'rotten pile' is not helpful. There are plenty of adults (especially the porn watching types) that are not in the slightest bit fussed if children have access to their porn as well. Kids today are pretty much doomed with all the porn, violence, drugs etc etc that they are exposed to, and we are on a very slippery slope downward to the complete destruction of morals (with humanity close on it's heels). Not the world I want my kids to grow up in. I support anybody who takes moral stands, and sometimes we need to have somebody protecting people from themselves. In short, my view is that adding to immorality should be opposed. People are pretty sick in general, and the 'everybody has a right to...whatever...' argument hold no water, when their actions affect other people as well. No way we can police our kids 24/7. Nobody has to agree with me .. it's just my take and choice to oppose this sickness.

      Alan - 2012-01-19 10:59

      @ Wesley .... hmmm .. I have a pretty clear idea of who the moron is.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-19 12:10

      @Alan: if you think we live in such a sick world, full of miserable filthy sinners... why don't you move to Greenland or some other isolated place to raise them... I think kids have it better off nowadays, as compared to the barbarian days of past. Why everybody thinks we live in such a terrible world i don't know. I know it's not the Utopia you all wish for but that is a fantasy. We live in a MUCH better world now than compared to say, the dark ages. And your children would be better of growing up in a world where people aren't forced to adhere to rules based on other people's morals and beliefs. They would benefit from having an open-mind, as opposed to going through life ignorant and naive.

      Alan - 2012-01-19 12:20

      Eish Wesley - were you not supposed to go back to school yesterday? Surfing the porn channels?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-19 12:34

      lol wow you are so funny in an intelligent kind of way.

  • Len - 2012-01-19 09:42

    Dear Comrade Patrick I know you have been in the trenches fighting for worker's rights much of your life, and I can appreciate that you would be uninformed of what is happening around. Thing is, Comrade, porn is already available in South Africa through magazines, internet and even porn shops. Indeed, some of your members work for these porn shops, cleaning after their night of fun and debauchery. To claim that bringing such channels on Top TV would have the effect of demeaning women and reinforce sexism implies that only TV porn matters. Also, comrade, when you travel to Amsterdam and other European countries where there are porn channel, do you feel their women are treated any less than the women in South Africa? If not, what is the basis of your claim? I have no doubt that the taxi drivers in Noord Street Taxi Rank (Johannesburg) most of whom are your members treat women badly without reinforcements from TV channels. Your organisation fought for freedoms and worker's rights and you have expressed opposition to government's secrecy bill. It does strike one as opportunistic and hypocritical to then jump into bed with the religious groupings that exploit your employees to deny those who want access to porn on TV. I respect that you are concerned how your money is spent, but does it mean you approve of the violence and simulations of murder on television? Afterall, you are not complaining about Top TV showing violent programs. Viva Comrade Yours in Comradeship!!!

  • robqb - 2012-01-19 10:15

    Rape and child abuse has been around in the RSA long before porn was made "legal" in this country. The people,male and female, are not forced into making porn movies, they do it of their own free will! The reason that there is so much child abuse and rape is because "our government" decided that the death sentence was too "harsh". I've been watching porn for many years, yes even when the Nats were in control, and I've never gone out to rape. There has always been a female who has been "willing" to satisfy "our" needs.Don't forget that the female enjoys sex as much, if not more, than her male counter-part. Ask me, I know, I'm a sixties booitjie! Leave porn alone! If you don't like it, don't watch,switch off, change the channel, take a walk. To slow down rape and child abuse,you will never stop it, bring back the rope!!!!!

  • Assis - 2012-01-19 10:41

    Sex sells. But horny buys.

  • EyesEars - 2012-01-19 12:24

    @ Squeegee. I reality none of them really exists. All are in it for the money causing the pain, as for Cosatu who believes in breaking down before "building up" just like the ancwl, just to jump on the bandwagon trying to catch face with the public eye. I wonder how may of the Cusatu women are allowed to be their own human being and not someone else's slave. @ Kevin Sadie: I agree with you. @ some of the others who really wants it. Go to a sex shop and pay extra for the pics and dvd's. That way you will keep someone else employed as well. Sick _@#(*(*#$!

  • Charmaine - 2012-01-22 16:59

    They doing something positive for a change

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