No porn for TopTV - court

2012-01-16 11:50

Johannesburg - TopTV may not broadcast pornography channels without the permission of the Independent Communications Authority of SA (Icasa), the High Court in Johannesburg ruled on Monday.

The pay channel applied to Icasa in September for permission to flight three porn channels.

When it received no response after two months, it decided to go ahead without Icasa's decision.

Icasa then made an urgent application to the high court to halt the move until January 31, when it would give its decision.

Icasa attorney Michael Motsoeneng declined to comment on the interdict on Monday and referred questions to Icasa.

TopTV is owned by On Digital Media.

Comments

  • Fred - 2012-01-16 12:06

    Well let us see how far the rights enshrined in our constitution will be infringed by the bureaucrats.

      Dakey - 2012-01-16 12:18

      lol. rights? constitution? Unsubscribe from the 'US is great' channel for goodness sakes. Constitution holds no morals or ethics. Perhaps in your life woman having sex with multiple guys at the same time is acceptable, in the rest of educated society it is seen as exploitation, just like prostitution. Then again no doubt you would defend the rights of these woman to do with their bodies as they please right... of course on the noble basis of justice and rights and all that is good, not your own perversions of course.

      Percy - 2012-01-16 12:43

      Our right to porn?

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-16 13:11

      You people just don't get it. It's not about porn it's about ICASA being able to withdraw broadcast rights. This now sets a precedent. Conveniently wrapped up in a blanket of porn so people miss the point. And freedom is freedom, regardless of what the individual likes. Don't accidentally subscribe, tune in, grab a box and Kleenex, and watch it then, if you don't want to.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-16 14:29

      @dakey: Of course. It is THEIR body and they can do whatever they want with it. Who the f*&k are you to even TRY dictate what someone can or cannot do with their body. Dammit you self-righteous people really need to piss off. What's perverse is your way of thinking. As if you are the king, who holds absolute power over us peasants. I will do whatever the hell I want with my body, as long as it doesn't hurt or infringe on anybody else's rights. Dare you tell me otherwise.

      Dirk - 2012-01-16 14:36

      Perversity has no bounds, and the perverse considers it their right. Siss!

      Fred - 2012-01-16 19:32

      @Dirk You are the one to talk. One thing is for sure that after reading your crazy nutball comments I would not let you near children unattended.

  • jandreleroux - 2012-01-16 12:06

    Irrespective of your view on Porn, it is an encouragement that the legal system worked wrt this specific case. It would be great if this efficiency could be present in all cases!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-16 13:12

      How did it work other than overturn the Act which sets a precedent we don't want.

  • goyougoodthing - 2012-01-16 12:11

    So ICASA messes up and now gets granted permission to go against the Act. Nice for freedom when they decide to retroactively ban a station or group for saying anti government stuff. Excellent.

  • Squeegee - 2012-01-16 12:12

    Great!

  • Final.Punishment - 2012-01-16 12:18

    ICASA, just another way of saying to the public that you will be FORCED and not have a CHOICE of what the Consumer really wants…

  • damonsb - 2012-01-16 12:19

    Hell is REAL...ask all the pornstars who died without Christ.

      Craig - 2012-01-16 12:32

      How does one get hold of them?

      Eugene - 2012-01-16 12:57

      Have you spoken to a porn star recently??

      ludlowdj - 2012-01-16 13:12

      That's nice DAMONSB, please provide the indisputable proof so that the rest of us can rejoice as well............haven't got any......well I guess that's why religion is referred to as a faith.

      Mike - 2012-01-16 13:32

      I just did. They OK where they are but they want to have a word with the one who threw the first stone.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-16 14:30

      Lol all these religious people disliking my comment. Funny

      Dirk - 2012-01-16 14:39

      Disliking? No, you are just a miserable and pathetic being. You are sick and the sooner you realise it, the better.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-16 14:51

      Oh Dirk, how sad you are. How do you know I'm miserable and pathetic? I suppose you figured that coz I'm gay? If i wanted to, i could stoop to your level and insult you, but since i haven't experienced your warped personality first hand, i won't. For your information i am extremely happy and proud to be who i am, i don't live in denial and i enjoy sex like we are supposed to. So go get yourself a hobby, coz clearly insulting people isn't your forte.

      Achmat - 2012-01-16 16:14

      damonsb so thy came back and told u

      Xhanti - 2012-01-19 14:09

      @damonsb You are an idiot!

  • Saksak Motsepe - 2012-01-16 12:22

    WE WANT PORN! WE WANT PORN! WE WANT PORN! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-16 12:25

    Oh gosh these people are so pathetic and hypocritical!! Freedom of speech and choice, AS STATED IN THE CONSTITUTION, yet porn channels aren't allowed on pay tv.. but eTV has non-stop porn late at night and advertise it constantly.

      ludlowdj - 2012-01-16 13:15

      Wesley, e-TV's contribution to the porn industry is soft porn which leaves everything to the imagination while Top TV wants to introduce hard core porn which leaves nothing to the imagination. I don'rt have a problem with hard core porn as a paid for extra service, but the two types cannot even be closely compared to each other.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-16 14:05

      @ludlowdj: Of course they can't. What im saying is... eTV plays that sh*t and people complained yet nothing was done about it. Yet now when a service is offered whereby people can actually choose to have it or not... it is stopped by the court. It doesn't make sense. People have a right to choose what they want to pay for and watch.

  • Mashudu - 2012-01-16 12:37

    Personal I think Porn should be prohibited from TV'S for the sake of our children.

      ludlowdj - 2012-01-16 13:16

      I have no problem with your comment other than it would in this instance be an extra paid for service and therefore is not available for our children to watch unless the parent fails to control it properly.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-16 14:07

      If you are going to pay for your porn on TV, and have children, you should be a responsible parent and block the channels with a password. Children can get hold of porn much easier on the internet. Stop pushes YOUR morals and values onto other people. If the industry is regulated properly (which is ICASA's job) then things will work out just fine.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-16 14:08

      *pushing

      jerry.pres - 2012-01-16 15:42

      Parental control Would work

      willbeonekenobi - 2012-01-16 17:36

      Parental Controls are there for a reason but since a lot of parents can't be bothered with setting it up (because they complain of passwords and pin numbers that they cannot remember after some time) and yet they are probably among the first to complain when their kids are watching age unappropriate movies and tv shows. I work in a video rental store and I cannot tell you how often a week the amount of times I see parents renting 16 or 18 age restricted movies for their 12 or 13 year olds, whether they took the few seconds to see the age restriction info on the back or not.

      Pierre - 2012-01-17 11:51

      The moral decay of society is directly related to the type of behaviour we endorse as a group. As a community it is logical to reject anything that threatens social morality. Those of you who endorse the idea of an easy access, and abundant transmission of porn, are obviously not interrested in the bettterment of society. It is this type of self indulging endorsement that causes each following generation of children to grow up in a more depraved environment than the one before. Twenty years from now you'll have prostitutes, STD's, gangsters and druglords stalking the street outside your house... You'll wonder "How did things become like this?" and I will say "It's because you indulged indecency and didn't stand up for common decency when it was your time to protect society." Social decay happens slowly over time, with people using their "rights" and "mature age" to accuse others of self-righteousness and to pretentiously justify themselves for doing something childish, that they know is bad. In the end, you just have to ask yourself...What would your mother say about this. But having to ask yourself that, means you have already forsaken your own conscience.

  • Nicky - 2012-01-16 12:40

    QUESTION: Y such an outcry against the porn channels if it is so freely available on the internet?? For the record: I am against porn channels!!

      Pierre - 2012-01-17 11:53

      You're right. We should start limiting access to both.

  • Steph - 2012-01-16 12:58

    Icasa sit on this for two months, then all of a sudden there's an urgent application!!! Not that I'm into the whole porn thing, but people ( paying customers ) must have choices available to them. If you don't like porn, don't subscribe - period. Late nite viewing comes on, you don't like it - what do you do?? Change the channel! Hell, the minute golf comes on, I change the channel!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-16 14:10

      Lol amen to THAT!! As soon as sport comes on, i change the channel. Just because I don't like sport doesn't mean i have the right to stop other people from watching it.

  • Zion - 2012-01-16 13:03

    Would it not be more realistic to place the blame of this p-articular problem on the stoop of Incasa? Incasa was informed that the pornographic material would be broadcast yet they done nothing to prevent it or negotiate with TopTv. Seems that Icasa is more Beck as binnegoed as the Afrikaaner would say. Icasa pull your bloody socks up you are just another disgrace to SA.

  • roberta.keeling - 2012-01-16 13:04

    Aw gee - no tickle tickle and slap slap on TOP TV? What a drag! LOL

  • Morne - 2012-01-16 13:24

    D'oh!

  • raegan.mcreed - 2012-01-16 13:44

    once APORN a time.....

  • Dene-Paul - 2012-01-16 15:47

    Really some of these arguments for porn (as if this is a threat to freedom of speech and expression) is amazingly stupid. There is (convienantly) no mention that porn is an exploitive industry is which many of the practioners are men and woman who have hit hard times (not that this is an excuse but it is a sort of slavery) NOT TO MENTION the side affects. We live in a country where rape and abuse is common place expecially against woman and children. AND now you want to make an already bad situaiton even worse but turning men into animals by making pornography even more freely avaliable than it it. Honestly some of those arguing for porn have obviously not worked with any victems of abuse and are sitting in their lofty towers looking down at the plebs.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-16 16:50

      A pity you don't have the conviction of your words to use a proper FB profile. If you think the kids are going to access porn on the TV, do you know what they can get off the internet? Your argument is built on sand. Porn is not the problem, society's issues with sex is the problem, drilled into people from an early age due to religious dogma.

      Pierre - 2012-01-17 12:09

      Maybe porn isn't THE problem. but it's not helping at all. If people accept it as a good thing, then the norm of future generations will become more depraved. That means younger victims being exploited more violently with less choice in the matter. There are limits to what people can accept. Today the morality of society is at a point where certain things are tolerated to some extent and others not. Public porn on TV in Sa is something that is not yet tolerated. This difference of opinion is proof of that discomfort.

  • Gerda - 2012-01-16 16:21

    wesley.bischoff - in your own words - jou moer. I am no hypocrite and gladly will let you know what I think of you. Firstly - even if you might not believe in Jesus Christ, some of us do and take offence in your words. The article is regarding pornography and not Jesus Christ so stick to the subject at hand. Secondly - pornography is the demoralization of humans and might lead to innocent women being subjected to more sexual harassments, etc.. And last but not least - children getting access to adult material. There are enough parents not giving a hoot what their children are watching on the tv. Those children will become adults and already at a young age not having respect for the opposite sex.

  • willbeonekenobi - 2012-01-16 17:14

    Honestly, who or what gives ICASA the right to tell us what is suitable for televison broadcasting and what does 't. If people want to pay for porn (because they were in no way forced to pay the extra amount) then let them. If you dont approve of what other people that want to watch porn then dont but dont tell them that it is wrong/immoral etc as as I'm 99% sure that everyone over 18 years of age has got the ability to think for themselves and can judge what they want or dont want.

  • willbeonekenobi - 2012-01-16 17:19

    Honestly, who or what gives ICASA the right to tell us what is suitable for televison broadcasting and what does 't. If people want to pay for porn (because they were in no way forced to pay the extra amount) then let them. If you dont approve of what other people that want to watch porn then dont but dont tell them that it is wrong/immoral etc as as I'm 99% sure that just about anyone over 18 years of age has got the ability to think for themselves and can judge what they want or dont want.

  • Paul - 2012-01-16 17:19

    I'm sure most people won't like my opinion on this porn issue, so I'm just going to quote what Jesus had to say about it: "anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Mat 5:28). So I am praying that the powers that be will not allow porn TV in our country; for the rights and protection of our women and children, for our marriages, for our kids, for our nation's future.

  • Jakus Vatdiepad Eloff - 2012-01-16 18:07

    and another thing, rape and sexual abuse is not about sex, it is about power. to connect porn with sexual abuse is like connecting Rugby and Aussie Rules football, it may look alike but it is two worlds apart...

      Wendy - 2012-01-17 19:02

      Yes, it's about power, SEXUAL power! To think otherwise is naive.

  • RichardMarkNicholls1969 - 2012-01-16 18:23

    We have Laws when it come to the correct use of the Air waves for radio and Tv and Toptv is not above the law.

  • Hugo - 2012-01-16 18:57

    Top TV will be stopped.

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