Stop TopTV porn, say Christians

2012-01-23 10:26
Johan Eybers
Johannesburg - While human rights groups say freedom of speech entitles TopTV to broadcast pornographic channels on its satellite pay television services, Christian groups have reacted violently to this.

Pornography is just as addictive and destructive as drugs, Taryn Hodgson of the Christian Action Network said in its presentation at the community trials of the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa (Icasa).

Icasa must decide by the end of this month whether TopTV may broadcast three 24-hour pornographic channels.

"Drugs are illegal and pornography should also be illegal," she said.

According to her, freedom of speech is not the only constitutional right at issue here.

"Pornography infringes on rights such as dignity, equality and hate speech. Women among others are humiliated in pornography and reduced to sex objects," she said.

In contrast to this, the Freedom of Expression Institute says pornographic material is already widely available at sex shops and on the internet. The FXI believes subscribers of pay television services must be able to decide for themselves which footage they want to pay for.

According to a written submission of the FXI Icasa must rather focus on strict mechanisms that TopTV must established to ensure that only adults have access to the channels and that regulations of the film and publication board are met.
 

Comments

  • CapTimPotato - 2012-01-23 10:39

    "Pornography is just as addictive and destructive as drugs"? well... So is religion. Don't agree? What about all those wars, atrocities and killings that have been done in the name of some God or another? Ban the porn, sure. But I want your "God" banned too. Toodles!

      Byron - 2012-01-23 11:45

      r u wasted bud, you freak

      wesleywt - 2012-01-23 11:49

      Religious people are the freaks bro.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 12:22

      90% of the disgusting atrocities that has happened, throughout history has been the direct cause of religious nutters and religious prejudice. If there was no religion, the world would be a MUCH better place.

      Rainbow - 2012-01-24 10:20

      Porn has no place in a country were people rape children, dogs , goats , chickens and corpses.

      Squeegee - 2012-01-24 18:35

      Rainbow, .. and that was just in the past month's news.

      Patrick - 2012-02-01 08:55

      Well said. Like you I am totally pissed off with self appointed custodeans of humanity telling me what I should and should not watch. All religion is steeped in the most grotesque violence imaginable. Being lectured by the Taryn's of this world is a total joke!

      Kurt - 2012-02-10 09:28

      I do not see alcohol being banned. main cause of deaths and family problems. Like alcohol you have the right to indulge or not, same with pornography. So what the Christian group is saying sex as recreation is bad and should be banned. Wonder where you all came from?????

  • tracy.moller - 2012-01-23 10:49

    Ever notice how it's mainly the women who have the biggest mouths when it comes to this type of thing? Lady don't turn those women into victims, this isn't the stone age when women weren't given the right to choose. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Be smart and negotiate with them, if they show porn then a certain % of their profits can be donated to abused women. (Rape Crisis etc etc)

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 12:23

      Exactly!! As if these actors had a gun to their heads, being forced to have sex with each other and then get paid for it.

      Squeegee - 2012-01-24 18:38

      You in the industry Tracy? You sound so knowledgable.

  • Caryn - 2012-01-23 10:54

    Whats the fuss? Its a paying channel and people who dont want to watch the porn channels do nto have to subscribe. What others do in privacy of their own home is their business - porn is FREE on the internet and I dont see people calling for that to be banned

  • Patrick - 2012-01-23 11:03

    This is getting seriously weak now.

  • Garth - 2012-01-23 11:08

    How many wars have been fought over pornography? How many people have died as a direct result of their involvement in pornography? For the religious to state that pornography is demeaning to women, is a very sexist, typically one-eyed statement. Do men not participate equally in this demeaning profession? If the self-righteous, the hypocritical, the pompous do not wish to watch, don't subscribe. Maybe if your husband/wife becomes addicted to pornography, maybe you should look inward. No one ever said: `Pornography is the opiate of the masses.'

  • Werner Vanheart Brand - 2012-01-23 11:09

    The Internet is overflowing with porn and no one cares, everyone uses the Internet, we all know it's there but you have a choice to watch it or not. So what's the fuss all about now? If there's a porn channel so what? You don't have to watch it

  • Kevin - 2012-01-23 11:10

    Don't like gay marriages? Don't get one! Don't like cigarettes? Don't smoke one! Don't like abortions? Don't get one! Don't like drugs? Don't use them! DON'T LIKE PORN? DON'T WATCH IT! Don't like alcohol? Don't drink it! Don't like guns? Don't buy one! DON'T LIKE YOUR RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY? THEN DON'T TAKE AWAY SOMEONE ELSES! These Christian rights groups are dictatorships unto their own!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 11:53

      Well said Kevin. BAN ALL RELIGION!!!!

      Trevor - 2012-01-23 16:26

      @ Wesley: By calling for the ban on religion aren't you in effect the same as those calling for the ban on pornography?

      ruimteseerower - 2012-01-24 09:57

      then what are you a ships off ,

      Jaco - 2012-02-01 09:28

      Funny thing how you should mention abortions. So you are saying if I don't like people murdering babies I just shouldn't do it myself and then everything will be OK? That's where you are seriously wrong. The ANC started boycotting apartheid which was the norm and they managed to convince the world that i's wrong. Now the Christians are boycotting porn and abortions which is the norm and maybe, just maybe they will manage to show you stuck-in-the-stonage liberals the difference between right and wrong.

  • wesleywt - 2012-01-23 11:48

    What gives Christians the right to tell adults what they can and can't watch.

      ruimteseerower - 2012-01-24 09:58

      we not telling you so called ADULTS what to watch we preventing our kids from becoming perverts like you ADULT WESLEYWT.

  • seymore.butt - 2012-01-23 11:52

    If Christian groups agree to a completely ban on any religious and preaching channels on TV that are forced fed even though you don't want them, then they can claim to propose a ban on pornography channel. I am sure many can claim that many a things preached on those religious channels are as offensive, destructive and far from the truth for them as these groups claim a pornography channel is.

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 11:54

    Are these people STILL on this subject? They cannot just let people be, and decide what is best for themselves? Oh wait, it's their forte to meddle in the affairs of others. Shoving their doctrine down other people's throats. Get a life bible punchers...

  • Sean - 2012-01-23 12:08

    Comments made by people who are sexually repressed and never watched porn.

  • Ben - 2012-01-23 12:12

    I dont get why people are bitching about a porn subscription. You're going to need to get an extra decoder. Probably a password as well. Whats the problem. The chances of your kids finding it is almost null if you're not a complete moron. I think most of the religious nuts thinks it's just going to be another channel open with the rest. Holy crap I hate religion... Urgh. Makes me sick to my stomach.

  • Robin - 2012-01-23 12:16

    Please remove all religious prgramming currently on TV,fair is fair!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-23 12:25

      YES!!! At least people have the right to choose whether they want it or not. We weren't given a choice as to whether or not we want religious channels included in our subscriptions.

  • dezzeyd - 2012-01-23 12:46

    I don't know what the WHOA HA is about. If you don't want to watch the porn channel then don't put your TV on that channel. The church always has somthing to say about everything. They should preach in church. People are people and they will still watch pron if it is on TV or not.

  • Saksak Motsepe - 2012-01-23 12:58

    Religion is more addictive than porn. Religion is so addictive that it makes them kill other people for imagined reasons which means that it makes them hallucinate. Thats even worse than the effects hardcore drugs. Porn on TopTV would provide proper rehab for these religious addicts who want to misguide a free society

  • Trevor - 2012-01-23 16:24

    Part 1 Hear me out on this one: The two main arguments for the channels are the following: ‘It’s a pay service. So if you don’t want to watch it, don’t pay for it.’ Let’s consider that porn(the product) is introduced to subscribers via the channel, the distributor, if you will. But, as the market grows more suppliers are required and to attract customers the product needs to be made cheaper - just like any other product available on the open market. The channel plays suppliers off against one another to get the best prices and the market is opened up to unscrupulous suppliers who exploit their workers. A vicious circle erupts where the market demands more and more and the suppliers have to provide more novel and interesting ways to keep their market share. Profits need to be maintained by both distributor and supplier, workers get paid less, made to produce more and under increasingly sub standard conditions. Generally, the more vulnerable workers are exploited the most, paid the least and treated the worst. Regulation is surely the way to go but who will pay for this? Is the price to be regulated? Surely not as this flies in the face of all that is liberal capitalism and the situation is left to deteriorate endlessly. So, surely by not introducing the market in a new mode (TV vs Net) we would be helping to curb the current exploitation taking place as well as the prevention of potential future exploitation?

      seymore.butt - 2012-01-23 17:18

      What you have mentioned is applicable to ALL businesses so let's shut down the mines and the factories as the workers are being exploited in China to produce CHEAP products YOU so love!

      Trevor Lovell - 2012-01-23 18:32

      Valid point but why does that make it any more right? With mining and cheaper consumer goods etc, the horse bolted before we could close the gate and now huge efforts have to be made and vast sums of money spent fighting to rein in the beast we created. What I'm saying is that let's learn from our previous mistakes and try and keep the horse from bolting this time round.

      Trevor Lovell - 2012-01-23 18:54

      I was thinking more about your point: it's weak in the sense your argument is the same as saying: "well, that person murdered someone. So why can't I?" if he did it it means that I can do it too, That because he did it it's right, so it's ok that I can do the same.

  • ruimteseerower - 2012-01-24 09:55

    easy just cancel your subsribsion ,already did there loss not mine rather pay the 300 more for dstv or switch to torrentz

      willbeonekenobi - 2012-01-24 21:30

      You do know that downloading stuff through torrentz actually is illegal and if you do you are just as guilty of stealing as the person who would break into your house to steal your goods.

  • Rainbow - 2012-01-24 10:21

    Porn has no place in a country were people rape children, dogs , goats , chickens and corpses.

  • tileyh - 2012-01-24 13:07

    Wow! Reading all these comments - if you're Christian or athiest you're damned. You're damned no matter what you are or what you believe. Stop a while and look behind the scenes at who is running Top TV, the Country (especially 'rainbow SA', or any other religion, athiesm, business, etc, and this will give you the answer for the sorry state of affairs of the world we're living in today. In all your minds and in what you think and say, that is your perogative. So, sorry, no one wins this debate game as it is all in your own minds and no one elses.

  • peterjohnjnb - 2012-01-27 01:35

    Christian are at it again i see? Trying to muscle into what we may or may not view in the privacy of our own homes....gee, that's new. You know, I'm not a fan of porn, don't see the point - but I'm not a fan of Christianity either, I'm hardly going to start telling you that you may no longer go to church because it offends me and my kind....really? we don't have better things to worry about? Our economy stands on the brink, unemployment is rife, kids are dying out there and you are worrying about people getting on for the camera....oi vei....

  • mzwandile.zulu3 - 2012-03-09 16:45

    Pornography intrudes into the sacred space intended for a husband and wife and pollutes the mind, creating expectations for sexual intimacy that are inherently selfish.

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