Council of Churches still anti-Gaga

2012-11-29 12:56
David Engelbrecht
Cape Town - The South African Council of Churches has said that it will continue to take action against Lady Gaga and her influence on the youth of South Africa.

However, it is not clear if this action will be in the form of another march.

The South African Council of Churches Youth Forum have not elaborated on any further marches against Lady Gaga in SA.

Earlier in November, the group made it clear that they do not support Lady Gaga coming to tour South Africa, and organised a protest march to the department of Arts and Culture in Pretoria, where they petitioned against her performing in SA.

The church council has stated that they are still concerned about Gaga's influence, saying they are worried about the "destructive impact" Lady Gaga can have on South Africa's youth.

When asked about their mindset behind their march in November, Rev Mxolisi Sonti, secretary of the youth forum, told Channel24 that they wanted to inform people about the social ills that our society is facing.

He also said that the protest served to make people aware of the high ticket prices of her show during our current economic times.

'More courage to stand for truth'

"Our call and action was to make an awareness to South Africans and take an action against the tickets priced at R3 495 and R2 995 respectively. And we can't afford to look and be silent while our economy is affecting us all.

"Nevertheless the tickets were dropped and now people are even allowed to join the Lady Gaga concerts free of charge."

Rev Sonti told the Afrikaans daily newspaper Beeld earlier in November they are afraid of the extent of Satanism in South Africa at this time, and that Gaga's visit could lead to an exponential growth of Satanism.

He still maintains that her influence on the youth is troubling and that they will continue to take a stand against artists who could increase the extent of Satanism in South Africa.

"Her presence in our Christian community will never disturb us. Instead she is giving us more courage to stand for truth despite who will be there to support her. We set our stand clear. Furthermore we are also looking for artists that will revive morals and values and also have such role models not vice versa," Rev Sonti said.


Comments

  • npretorius2 - 2012-11-29 13:08

    Who cares! there is thousands of people who want to go! (excluding me) If they do manage to stop gaga from performing all those people will feel even more negative about Christianity!

      lydonmcg - 2012-11-29 13:46

      This really is one of the funniest articles I've read in a long time. They don't even seem to be aware of exactly what they're marching for. So they're all anti-GaGa one minute, but then take issue with the ticket prices? Surely they would see that in a positive light? Less corruptible youth going to the concert? Honestly, these people should spend their time and effort doing something productive. If they think tens of thousands of fans are going to sit by and watch them attempt to prevent or disrupt the concerts in any way they have something coming for them!

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-11-29 13:53

      Christians in Bloemfontein already prevented the RamFest metal festival from taking place there. The negativity towards Christianity when this was announced proved they do a lot more harm to themselves when they stick their noses where they don't belong

      Bdamons - 2012-11-29 14:04

      in other words,give the youth a petrol bomb and go play as long as your having fun

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-29 14:52

      I say it again... they seem like sad people, with boring lives, that now use Gaga's Tour as an excuse to suddenly have something to do. Their concern can be noted and taken seriously if they start paying taxes, like everyone else. Otherwise they should just keep their concerns to themselves and their congregation.

      ab.normal.961 - 2012-11-29 16:11

      Not all young South Africans are religious so morals should be taught at home. A large percentage of time, with strongly implemented morals young people will do what's right. The worst approach is forcibly preventing youngsters from things we as adults see as bad, because this just allows them to be rebellious. Strengthen up your youngsters morales and a Lady Gaga concert will be nothing but a concert to them, great while it last but forgotten over time.

      george.frangs - 2012-11-29 16:34

      Thats totally cool Alicia. I think she's great, also my opinion, but when people use religion and search for something wrong in everything, thats just sad.

      christoffvstaden - 2012-11-29 23:37

      Clearly her presence has disturbed Sonti... What an idiot!

      matthew.patrick.925 - 2012-12-01 08:12

      Has the Coucil of Churches ever stated exactly what makes her a satanic or immoral influence on the youth? They have a constitutional right to peaceful protest but with that right comes responsibilities, like not looking petty or stupid while doing it. Alicia, I agree but what she lacks in a powerful voice (she can at least carry a tune to an extent) she makes up for in on stage drama, which is what she's going for. I'm not a fan but you can't deny her talent for performing.

  • ophiuchus84 - 2012-11-29 13:10

    Good Lord, these people are clueless!

      joneethling - 2012-11-29 15:47

      This is the only cause these fakers can find to whip up their followers (sponsors)? Hate is a great motivator.

  • cathy.dejongh.5 - 2012-11-29 13:12

    Would you lot of loud mouths explain how you find lady gaga so important, as opposed to the rape of babies and old women?

      marcia.greune - 2012-11-29 15:23

      Well said

      FloorWizPro - 2012-11-29 15:37

      I didn't know Lady Gaga was a baby killer and rapist of Old Ladies? Does she know she stands accused of these astonishing crimes, by you. Or are you just building wonderful mental bridges again, linking completely unrelated things because you cult indoctrinated you to build them. If you don't like her, don't pay to watch, simple. Nothing more to it.

      christoffvstaden - 2012-11-29 23:26

      And you tied those 2 ideas together how? Silly woman!

      george.frangs - 2012-11-30 07:22

      Thats quite a stretch... Besides, you must be new here if you think it's only THIS that upsets us. Assumptions...

  • briana.scott - 2012-11-29 13:13

    really? this is what concerns them about the youth of SA, Lady Gaga? Maybe they should take their heads out the sand and take a long hard look in the mirror. I am also curious about what sort of action they plan on taking. Standing around with a sign. (i got so angry i made a sign.)

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-29 14:53

      Exactly... i think bullying and school/gangster violence are problems that need more attention than a once-off Lady Gaga Tour.

  • Jeremy - 2012-11-29 13:14

    What a load of nonsense! Reminds me of when the apartheid government placed a ban on the Beatles because John Lennon said the Beatles were more popular than Jesus. Well, they were at the time...he was just stating a fact! Lady Gaga is tremendously popular - but she's a passing phenomenon....she'll be forgotten in 5 years time. Let those who want to see her pay to do so....and if you don't like her, just stay away!

      stephenmonama - 2012-11-29 15:20

      What a mature comment Jeremy....

      barry.nelson.96387 - 2012-11-29 15:44

      Shame Jeremy thats all I can say. You know nothing, but nothing. What happened to Lennon.

      george.frangs - 2012-11-29 16:37

      Barry, all I can say is, WHAT!? Beatles were bigger than Jesus, and Lennon was murdered by a fan who said a book told him to do so... Seems quite apt to me.

      cleve.fletcher - 2012-11-29 17:30

      @george.frangs: Don't waste your time George, it's obvious his understanding is severely crippled

  • chris.stuart.332 - 2012-11-29 13:15

    Waht utter hogwash! Please stop this BS that you are trying to feed us. When I was a kid it was AC-DC and KISS and Iron Maiden, and according to the church they also where from the "Devil"! B u l l s h i t! I didnt like gaga at first, but after seeing her on So you think you can dance, I really enjoy her! I'm not a fan, her music is boring, but please stop telling people how they can spend their money. Or maybe organize a protest again, maybe this time there will be 20 people...

  • bertus.pretorius.1 - 2012-11-29 13:16

    With all due respect... Did the SACC have anything to say about the children accused of stoning those orphans to death? To the teenager who strangled her friend? The 11yr old who shot his bully at school? Youths raping their grandparents and family members? The 7yr old raping a 13yr old? I wonder if the kids above listened to Gaga while doing their evil deeds.

      bertus.pretorius.1 - 2012-11-29 14:25

      My point was simply that they must have justification for their allegations. Did the countries' youths where she already toured, suddenly displayed a more violent/satanistic attitude? SA's youth already has so much issues, and yes, the supposed morally higher class as well. Why go to all this trouble when children here are already influenced by home grown problems?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-29 14:54

      Bertus, don't you get it, they think all that is Gaga's fault lol

      christoffvstaden - 2012-11-29 23:29

      Doubt those kids even know who she is...

  • dylan.mugabe - 2012-11-29 13:17

    And they still look like a bunch of knobs haha.

  • jacques.greeff.7 - 2012-11-29 13:19

    This is madness!!! our country is supposed to be democratic not hipocratic but it seems that way...(it's ok to have more than one wife and run the country but not ok for Lady Gaga to perform in SA) Why do they slate her so much??? rather start fighting the crime demon in our country which is destroying our youth and society and let Lady Gaga share her amazing God given talent with her fans and SA.

  • ben.louw.5 - 2012-11-29 13:21

    Oh no! All 30 of them...

  • daniel.mahoney.za - 2012-11-29 13:21

    Typical tunnel vision that is enforced by organized religion.... Like they know what is best for society - let people make their own choices...

  • janis.moolman - 2012-11-29 13:22

    And what abiut the band Die Andwoord. Why dont you go and stop the? Your so called christian believes is onky so deep by what you think is wrong.

  • freddie.miff - 2012-11-29 13:23

    But having a philandering polygamist who prays to ancestors as a president and a corrupt, extortionist as a youth league leader are all fine. The SACC never said a word about that. Cretins!

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-11-29 13:33

      Ditto

  • Puseletso Phambane - 2012-11-29 13:24

    wht has LadyGaga done so bad?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-29 15:39

      Success. Some people fear others success.

  • HayleyEL - 2012-11-29 13:24

    Whatever....

  • dean.mark.williams - 2012-11-29 13:27

    And I guess allowing a convicted woman beater called Chris Brown into our country is a far better influence for our youth.

  • freddie.miff - 2012-11-29 13:27

    How I spend my money, whether on concert tickets or not, is none of the SACC's damn business!!!

  • vernon.meakin - 2012-11-29 13:31

    Tell someone that cares, why are you so quite about all the things that should be sorted.

  • Darren Braam - 2012-11-29 13:32

    ag grow up really

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-11-29 13:33

    PITY they didnt do these "marches" against the real problems like corruption and fraud and a government robbing its own people blind!!!! I know lots of people who are attending the concert and they sure as hell are NOT satanists!

  • louise.patterton - 2012-11-29 13:36

    what rubbish! i bought seating tickets at R615 each on the day booking opened...they were never as high as the church folk say.

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-11-29 15:32

      The vip tickets were pricey-however,they include: free bar,meal and seating and are still no where near these prices given in the article!!!

      cleve.fletcher - 2012-11-29 17:34

      And you're surprised that the christers are lying again?

  • bertus.pretorius.1 - 2012-11-29 13:40

    And where did they get their ticket prices anyway? As far as I know, tickets were under R1000, starting at around R600?

  • gvangreunen - 2012-11-29 13:44

    FFS ... haven't these idiots got something real to take a stand against!

  • bradley.kecskes - 2012-11-29 13:45

    Churches and Gaga are from the same cloth...you both irritate me..

  • jacques.greeff.7 - 2012-11-29 13:49

    Jacques Greeff shared a link. 5 minutes ago . Pastor held over rape of girl, 12 www.news24.com A pastor has been arrested for allegedly raping a 12-year-old girl and sexually assaulting two other girls in the area, police say. .

  • TheOneTrueMoo - 2012-11-29 13:52

    "Our call and action was to make an awareness to South Africans and take an action against the tickets priced at R3 495 and R2 995..." an economy is based on how often money changes hands, so the more spent the better it is for the economy( I would understand you being upset because it would be taking money out of the churches hands, but apparently 'monsters' wouldn't be spending the money church wise any way) hey actually the more expensive the tickets are the better it should be in your simple ignorant judgmental minds, the more money spent on a ticket the less money spent on the "blood market" things to sacrife, and less money for them to spend on tobbacco and alchol because the body is a temple just FYI the prices are not set by the artist but by the organisers the artist sets the fee for them to play, the organisers then have to find the space(and pay for it) so dont rant at gaga, rant at the organisers take a stroll at them (you need more people to have a march) "Her presence in our Christian community will never disturb us. Instead she is giving us more courage to stand for truth despite who will be there to support her." why just her presence? dang, my presence in your "christian community" should be what you should stand against because i'm not popping over for a day singing songs i live here and hate idiotic hypocritical religious bull@#$$ maybe look at the bigger picture and spend your time and money on something that counts

  • bryan.culross - 2012-11-29 13:52

    SACC is a pain. I cudn't care a fig's leaf about Gagga - never heard her music. Why doesn't SACC focus on more NB things like the corrupt government in South Africa!

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-11-29 13:53

    There was a time Elvis was regarded the same as Gaga.... Freaking religious nut cases.

  • CarinWynbergen - 2012-11-29 13:54

    YES !!! she is the reason for all of the bad thing happening in SA!!! Corruption, farm killings, rape, murder, etc... please STOP her concerts!!! LOL!!!

  • charmaine.byron - 2012-11-29 13:54

    so silly. Firstly, they should be grateful the price of the tickets is so expensive - one would think they would see that as a deterent. Secondly, I think the SA Council of Churches has missed the point - they should rather be imploring parents to teach their children not to bow down to peer pressure and correct moral, etc. Pity they've taken this nonsensical stand - really makes us Christians look like radical idiots.

      Zolile - 2012-11-29 14:55

      SACC wanted the show to be reasonable or cheap sothat many people including can go there and be corrupted. What an irony??

      cleve.fletcher - 2012-11-29 17:38

      "really makes us Christians look like radical idiots". Don't worry Charmaine, you guys have been looking like that since Yeheshua bar Yusuf was put to death by the Romans. Peace

  • markus.ippy - 2012-11-29 13:56

    Maybe while they are at it , they can apologize for the witch burning ... 21st century anyone ?

  • mornelaubscher - 2012-11-29 13:59

    Hiding behind religion and ignorance does not make intolerance acceptable!

  • lisa.roachburns - 2012-11-29 14:09

    The youth of this country are already corrupt. Bring back corporal punishment and the death penalty and don't forget to stop and buy your Lady Gaga ticket on the way home!

  • lisa.roachburns - 2012-11-29 14:10

    The youth of this country are already corrupt. Bring back corporal punishment and the death penalty and stop and get your Lady Gaga tickets on the way home!

  • christoffvstaden - 2012-11-29 14:10

    Tedious... Read first paragraph only... Couldn't care less about SACC's opinions...

  • 286ADC8D - 2012-11-29 14:12

    I think 4 the church 2 protest bout things we hav control over is sensless. I mean this world is full of evil. But its a buffet out ther. U choose what u like or don't like. The church should perhaps start having faith in the things that's outa our control. Cause that's Gods department.

  • tawanda.gumbo - 2012-11-29 14:18

    Prayer is the only way out

      coenraad.vanderwesthuizen.3 - 2012-11-29 14:28

      No, rational thought is...

      sias.wagener - 2012-11-29 15:08

      Yeah right. Pray and she will dissapear. Grow up tawanda

  • bullardx - 2012-11-29 14:20

    '...continue to take action against Lady Gaga and her influence on the youth of South Africa'. South Africa, lets stop making ourselves ridiculous in international view...come on man, the goverment has done enough of that.

  • basilvn - 2012-11-29 14:49

    For the past 15 years the SACC has watched the decline of morality in SA and now they want to suddenly catch a wake-up. The have watched Satanism grow, slave and human trafficking flourish. Is it maybe because they are not sharing in the proceeds that has made them unhappy?

  • grace.murindiwachisimba - 2012-11-29 14:49

    Am christian but Ijust need the proof of Gaga's so-called satanism.

      Zolile - 2012-11-29 14:58

      Its very easy just google it and you'll see

  • leigh.paikin - 2012-11-29 14:51

    You would think Christians could practice what they preach and not be judgmental? By judging another person - what example are they setting? A pop artist bringing satanism to the country? I wonder what Justin Bieber will bring then... really lame.

      xabiso.mbangwa - 2012-11-29 15:33

      Can you please explain to me the meaning of the word 'judge', coz everytime christians see something wrong, people are so quick to say that they are judged.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-29 15:43

      Being intolerant or showing disgust toward other people or a group of people, just because their beliefs differ from yours, or they are different than you (skin colour, gender, sexuality etc) I might be wrong...

  • martin.gee.godfrey - 2012-11-29 14:57

    In the 60's it was Elvis,the Beatles and the Stones, in the 70's it was Madonna, The Sex Pistols and Black Sabbath, in the 80's it was Boy George and Adam and The Ants, the 90's it was the Tupac and Eminem and now we have Lady Gaga... Strange how those of us old enough to have survived some or most of these acts are all still sane, with our own sense of what is right and wrong and what is entertainment and what isn't. Sadly, relgious fanatics (of all persuasions) will always try and find something to complain about. Me, I don't like Lady Gaga and take her wth a pinch of salt but she has a huge following 99.9% of which are all normal people. The SA Cound=cil Of Churches must just get over it, stop judging and stop forcing your opinion on others.

      matthew.patrick.925 - 2012-12-01 14:24

      Then there's the old religious stigma against ACDC and Metallica. I can't say I've ever been inspired to make a human sacrifice or join a coven after listening to Highway to Hell or Ride the Lightning. And if certain religious types looked beyond Black Sabbath's name they'll find out that Ozzy is a devout Catholic.

  • t.j.setshedi - 2012-11-29 15:18

    singing poker face is the devils work i guess,ths christians shld voice their corncerns over gospel artist taking drugs.i love my lady devilish gaga.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-29 15:46

      I agree, gospel music is one of the great evils of our time lol

  • marcia.greune - 2012-11-29 15:23

    What morons seriously!!

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-11-29 15:24

    No one is holding a gun to there heads and forcing them to attend her concerts. And since when do they have the right to decide what we can and cannot listen too. If they don't like her then they must not listen to it. Simple as that for frikken crying out loud in a bucket.

  • FloorWizPro - 2012-11-29 15:33

    Oh, now it's the ticket prices. Doesn't stop this lot from passing the basket around to get their pound of flesh to subsidise their lavish "christian" lifestyles. Satanism, LOL! What a joke!

  • henk.tredoux.7 - 2012-11-29 16:20

    Hey you hypocrites! According to my knowledge in the final days you will have difficulty identifying evil as it comes in many guises.....like the Council of Churches! Lady Gaga is not trying to hide anything! By the way any news on the pedophile cases brought against clergy men?

  • thabo.manganye - 2012-11-29 16:31

    Some people have to and energy to waste, how can you organise for a march on the price of tickets , no one is forced to go, those thta can afford to go let them go, that's why I am watching a 21 t.v I bought for 400 from a Chinese shop and my neighbour is watching a plasma worth 32000 its because they can afford. Why have we become a nation of marches and strikes

  • Louise Whittingstall Barnard - 2012-11-29 17:48

    Blah Blah f*#***g Blah!!! They never marched or protested over her cd or dvd sales so what difference will one live performance make if I own all her cd and dvd's!!! These so called christians would make winnie the pooh evil!!!!! I got nothing against GOD its his fan club I hate!!!

  • leon.olivier.92 - 2012-11-29 17:53

    Tickets priced at R3 495 and R2 995 respectively. Wrong ! Another SA-COC-UP