Many South Africans welcome TopTV porn

2013-01-18 07:50
Thinus Ferreira
Cape Town - TopTV has said that their planned bouquet of pornographic channels has been welcomed by a "vast majority of South Africans".

In a press statement issued by the struggling pay-TV operator on Thursday, TopTV's acting CEO Eddie Mbalo said: "We believe that South Africans are mature enough to take personal responsibility for their television viewing habits."

"We believe people are capable of choosing for themselves what they would like to view in the privacy of their homes, and that the vast majority of South Africans either welcome the prospect of adult television, or acknowledge the right of others to watch adult TV, even if they themselves are not particularly interested in this content."

'Double layer pin'

The struggling TopTV, currently under business rescue under the Companies Act, has launched a second attempt to introduce a trio of titillating channels as a separate bouquet which the pay-TV operator believes will bring in the money.

TopTV wants to launch three TV channels, namely Playboy TV, Desire TV and Private Spice as soon as possible, with a rating of R18.

"All the material will be blocked with a double layered PIN," said TopTV in its new application.

TopTV wants to run the porn channels for 24 hours a day in South Africa, although broadcasting regulations don't currently permit that.

The South African public and all interested parties can comment on TopTV's porn channel plans with correspondence to be posted to:

Ndondo Dube
Broadcasting Licencing Unit
Licencing and Compliance Division
Block D, Pinmill Farm
164 Katherine Street
Sandton
2196

Alternatively,

Private Bag X10002
Sandton
2146

Via e-mail: pndube@icasa.org.za

Or fax 011 566 3200

Comments

  • JohncarlosBiza - 2013-01-18 08:11

    Each to his own, but I personally believe there's something not right with a person willing to consume hours of pornography each day. It's not an option I'd recommend for a healthy mind/lifestyle

      nosiphom.mazibuko - 2013-01-18 08:39

      At least you have said "each to his own" and that is the way it should be. We are tired of a nanny state! I might or might not subscribe to Top-TV as a result, but I believe its a free world!

      paul.roos.735 - 2013-01-18 09:00

      As much as I'm for freedom of choice and realise that many people are mature enough to exercise it, I also know porn is a breeding ground for obsessive behaviour. We have to draw the line somewhere folks. That's just common sense. Even if porn is freely available on the internet, there is a principle involved here. The physical well-being of your wife or daughter might very well be at stake.

      dienaakte.waarheid.7 - 2013-01-18 09:38

      I agree. Not only that, people are exploited and killed in the porn industry. By airing or buying porn, you are creating a market, if there is no market for it, less people will be raped\killed\abused for other people's sick pleasures.

      nosiphom.mazibuko - 2013-01-18 09:40

      @Paul Roos - I suppose you do have evidence to present to prove that "Porn is a breeding ground for obsessive behaviour"? Where can we find the studies - which country, when? I am open minded, I am willing to believe you if you can present facts not your opinion.

      dienaakte.waarheid.7 - 2013-01-18 09:50

      @nosipho- Dr. Victor Kline, a clinical psychologist from the University of Utah, observed a four-step pattern in sex offenders who have had intensive exposure to hard-core pornography. The pattern began with addiction, where there was a longing created for continual exposure to sexually stimulating material. This addiction is every bit as strong as the addiction to drugs. When stimulation occurs , there is a release of a chemical within the body which serves to lock into the mind an image of whatever has caused the stimulation to occur. In effect the body forms a permanent library of these images that are difficult to erase, and they are continually reinforced whenever they are recalled and further stimulation occurs

      dienaakte.waarheid.7 - 2013-01-18 09:50

      @nosipho pt2 - The second step in the pattern is escalation. The pornography user begins to feel the need for rougher, more explicit material in order to achieve the same level of stimulation experienced previously. It is a principle that is once again very similar to that of drug addicts who need to progress both to harder drugs (and more of them) in order to achieve the same “high” to satisfy their desires. In the case of pornography, a person may eventually feel the need to progress from “softcore” pornography to obscenity, which includes such things as child pornography, beastiality

      dienaakte.waarheid.7 - 2013-01-18 09:52

      The fourth and final stop is that of inclination, where individuals begin to act out what they have seen. An illustration of this can be seen in a study conducted at UCLA where a group of men were exposed to a rape story from Penthouse magazine (supposedly soft-core) which implied that women enjoyed being sexually mistreated. Following this exposure the group was asked if they would not go out and rape a woman if there was no fear of retribution. The startling result was that more than half of them said “Yes.”

      dienaakte.waarheid.7 - 2013-01-18 09:53

      sorry -pt 3 was lost methinks The third stop in the pattern is that of desensitization. What once was shocking and repulsive, now becomes commonplace. This is why pornography is often used by those who molest children or use such innocent victims to produce child porn. By showing this material to the children, the molester tries to gain the child’s willing cooperation, assuring the child that such acts are all right and that they are even natural and acceptable.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-01-18 10:06

      @dienaakte.waarheid.7 That is all good and well, but the study was done *on sex offenders* it says absolutely nothing whatsoever about what effect pornography has *on normal people* - just like any other addiction. It is very important to actually read understand exactly what a study is saying and not just quote choice parts of it. I don't see us banning anything else purely because a small minority of people are natural addicts, so unless there is some kind of proof that it does this to *everybody* (Hint: there is not) it is hypocritical and stupid to tell people whether they can or can't watch it. (For the record I don't even own a TV and won't subscribe to this - but I find the South African societies tendancy to constantly force stupid idealogies onto others sickening and pathetic)

      nosiphom.mazibuko - 2013-01-18 10:18

      @dienaakte & malcom - not only was it done on sex offenders, but it focused on Hardcore porn - by dienaaktes admission. So we are not talking about the same subject here. TopTv never said they want to show hard core porn! Your argument is fundamentally flawed. Those sex ogffedners had theri heads screwed up anyway! Malcom, the sickkening thing about the South African society is intolerance - we should all conform to a certain norm, set I do not know by who, and that is bull. I do not have TopTv and I was never even planning to subscribe, but I am all for freedom of choice.

      dienaakte.waarheid.7 - 2013-01-18 10:20

      @malcolm - read this. Unedited. I'm not a hypocrate fella. If you want the answers, just google it. Some people will choose to ignore certian aspects and if ANYONE here can prove to me that the porn industry is a safe and regulated industry, where all aprticipants are willing, i will change my tune. I have 2 daughters, and saying that porn is ok, i also say that i will not have any problems with my children doing it. So no. Not in my house and not in my lifetime will i ever ok something that i know harms innocent people and has diverse effects on people watching it. http://www.ausfamily.org/addiction.html

      Amandlawhereto - 2013-01-18 10:41

      dienaakte.waarheid.7 Do you think that if commercial pilots watched the movie Top Gun before they flew it would compel them to engage aircraft from competing airlines in dogfights?

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-01-18 10:49

      "read this. Unedited. I'm not a hypocrate fella" Yet again you link an excerpt (Not the full study) of a "study" that was done on only 350 people all of whom are sex offenders or have other known problems with sex. A study that completely ignores the other 99.99% of the population. Such a study is only useful when talking about people who are already known to be sex offenders and offers absolutely no predictive power or insight into the effect of porn on *normal* (the other 99.9%) people. This is the equivalent of doing a "study" on 100 fat people, finding out that there eating disorder started when they found out about ice cream, and then going on an all out campaign to ban the whole world from having ice cream just because a few people have an addiction problem. "can prove to me that the porn industry is a safe and regulated industry" Can you prove to me 100% that the tuna industry is a safe and regulated industry where all participants are willing? The maid industry? The building industry? Any industry? Do you even indicate how ridulous what you are asking for is, obviously nobody can ever perform such a task? The porn industry is no different than any other there are good businesses and bad businesses, boycotting the whole industry or putting your head in the sand does nothing to change this. "So no. Not in my house" - And nobody is asking you to do anything in your house. A bit of respect and tolerance for what people do in their own house would go a long way.

      paul.roos.735 - 2013-01-18 11:15

      @ malcolm I don't think you're following the argument, buddy. The whole point is about obsessive behaviour. These are the wackos that rape and molest and walk into schools to mow children down. And yes, they are the minority. Get it?

      Jane - 2013-01-18 11:17

      What I worry about is that some sick pervs out there get so turned on by watching porn that they go out there and rape women and children because they have no other way of satisfying the fantasy being shown on TV? Just a thought.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-01-18 11:35

      @Paul.roos No, it is infact you who is not following the argument. There are wackos out there that run people over in cars - should we ban cars? There are wacko priests that molest children - should we ban churches? There are wacko teachers and professors who have inappropriate relationships with scholars - ban schools and universities? The uncomfortable fact that you and other narrow minded people refuse to acknowledge is that there are people out there who are either born "unhinged" or become that way early on due to a bad upbringing. There are people who are just naturally susceptible to addiction. No amount of banning things and coddling will stop this, they will just find something else to get addicted to, or hurt people anyway. Study after study has shown that rape is not about sex but about control and power, that it has essentially very little or nothing to do with pornography and more to do with childhood abuse and violent upbringing. The rape statistics of the world back this up with lower rape instances in countries where porn is more common. Yet people like you continue to assert that porn will make people rape - why is this? Is it your own internal insecurities coming to the surface? Do you fear that you would not be able to control yourself if you saw a few boobies? Is that why you hope society will police you so that you don't have to grow up and make your own decisions?

      dienaakte.waarheid.7 - 2013-01-18 11:44

      Malcolm - i wish you and your fellow one handed warriors a happy and prosperous life. I will not support a industry that supports rape and sodomy. My moral compass wont allow me to condone sick fks and their kicks. You can try and sugarcoat a turd, its still a turd.

      paul.roos.735 - 2013-01-18 11:57

      @malcolm No sir, it is you that is hyperbolising this issue. No personal offence intended to yourself, but it is people who think like you -- who are are ruling the world right now -- who are utterly bemused and confused as to why virtually every system is either corrupt or already collapsing: financial, economic, political and social. People who are "too clever" to stick to tried and trusted conventional wisdom. People who simply shrug off the facts, as long as their own greedy, selfish ambitions and appetites are satisfied.

      thando.gqabaza - 2013-01-18 12:21

      No coincidence we are getting porn under Zumas rule what do you expect from a rapist neh ?

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 12:25

      If Zumba watched porn, he would probably only have one wife...

      Ritz40 - 2013-01-18 12:46

      Do you all know each other? Why is everybody getting personal? Is it not possible to argue without being nasty?

      iamtoo.smarteskse - 2013-01-18 13:14

      @dienaakte.waarheid.7 By your logic, I can argue that religion should be banned as some individuals have decided to fly airplanes into buildings because of it. The fact remains, if someone is mentally ill, they will do stupid things. Also, if you are truly so concerned with porn, you should be fighting against internet porn since anyone can access it from their cellphones with no security measures in place to prevent this. The reason why you don't fight internet porn, remains a mystery. I might suggest that you disagree with TOP Tv's porn application simply because you like joining band wagons.

      paul.roos.735 - 2013-01-18 13:47

      Porn is a religion for some people

      jacqui.c.baumgardt - 2013-01-18 13:52

      @Nosipom: • The University of Sydney found that those who have an excessive passion for porn were more likely to have severe social and relationship problems, and were more likely to lose their jobs and get in trouble with the law. While the research is still in the preliminary stages, the early numbers trickling in are startling: 47% of the subjects watch between 30 minutes to three hours of porn per day, 30% said that watching porn affected their productivity at work and 20% said they would rather watch porn than have sex with their partner. It’s worth noting that 85% of the people surveyed were males either married or in a serious relationship. I would call that obsessive.

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 14:33

      Really paul? So there is a Porn deity, pornographic scripture, and a pornographic place of worship?

  • peejay.maclane - 2013-01-18 08:12

    I don't see anything broadcasting porn on TOP TV, as long as they do it responsibly and they don't show those violent type. Freedom of choice must prevail

      linda.m.yates.10 - 2013-01-18 14:39

      Do rape victims ever have FREEDOM OF CHOICE?

      cc.fourie - 2013-01-18 15:36

      Linda, I presume you are trying to imply there is some link between rape and porn. Please read this: http://phys.org/news187448961.html "Over the years, many scientists have investigated the link between pornography and sex crimes and attitudes towards women. And in every region investigated, researchers have found that as pornography has increased in availability, sex crimes have either decreased or not increased." "What does correlate highly with sex offense is a strict, repressive religious upbringing." If anything, we should be thinking about protecting people from religious indoctrination, not porn.

  • siphiwo.maurice - 2013-01-18 08:15

    Is Top-Tv failing and down, now wanting to resort to what most people would like, porn? What a cheap strategy, contributing to the already heavy social ills. You have a choice, I mean.

      nosiphom.mazibuko - 2013-01-18 08:40

      Social ills cannot be solved by throttling access. You really don't have to watch it.

      chequ.checked - 2013-01-18 08:50

      What do you suggest, TopTV show more of Chiefs vs Pirates football...lol

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-01-18 10:11

      How dare a business resort to giving most people what they would like. What an outrageous business model that would be! No surely they should stick to the tried and tested South African method of not giving anyone what they would like but charging the earth for it.

      linds.ronhouse - 2013-01-18 10:25

      Sex is not a social ill. If it wasn't for it, none of us would be here.

      shannon.dane.9 - 2013-01-19 01:10

      If TopTV had more football they'd grow, Afcon now...world cups and euro cups. EPL, La liga, Champs league...and yes, most importantly in SA, PSL. I will never leave dstv without my Epl.

  • Michael - 2013-01-18 08:16

    Just say YES! I don't get what the big fuss is about from the prudes.... it won't make porn any more accessible to kids, in fact because of the security measures, it will be more difficult for youngsters to view porn on TopTV than to find it online, but the grundies will always try to impose their narrow-mindedness on others...

      klipkop.degroote - 2013-01-18 08:41

      forget about the kids for now, dont you think that there is maybe a link between all the rapes every how many minutes in world and porn? You think porn a positive thing for women in general, dont you think it degrades women and that leads to plenty other negative stuff? You think seeing actors pomp 24/7 will improve your life?

      ever.ryman - 2013-01-18 09:02

      Klipkop: Nonsense. Do some research, or at least some thinking. The availability of porn does NOT increase the incidence of rape. I suggest you look at the rate of rape and violent sexual crime vs. ease of access to porn in Europe, particularly the Nordic states. As for degrading women: these are professional film makers employing professional actors and actresses who are there by choice.

      owen.leroux.104 - 2013-01-18 09:16

      @klipkop Nope, there is no evidence to show that porn causes any of those things. Countries with high porn consumption and open sexuality actually show reduced crime and sexual offences. http://phys.org/news187448961.html

      cc.fourie - 2013-01-18 09:40

      Klipkop, there is nothing degrading about sex. On the other hand, have a look at how woman are viewed and treated in religious holy books and tell me that is not degrading...

      dienaakte.waarheid.7 - 2013-01-18 10:27

      @ever - are you high? https://www.thepinkcross.org/measureB Watch that and get your head out of your backside

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 11:02

      Yes because watching something on the internet DEFINITELY makes it fact...

      shannon.dane.9 - 2013-01-19 00:58

      @Ever.ryman that is studies in Europe, have they done any studies in South Africa? We r unique. There's a large chunk of SA guys out there who believe women wearing miniskirts are asking for it, gay women must be cured via rape, & not too long ago raping virgins would cure AIDS. How will porn affect these guys' mindsets and/ actions? Fact: 600,000 ppl raped each year in SA. Fact: 5m HIV +ve people in SA. Companies & regulators have a duty to be socially responsible in the face on these trafic statistics. We need our OWN studies on porn...and not to be paid for by TopTV thank u

  • Muffin_man_can - 2013-01-18 08:16

    In a country that has among the highest rape statistics in the world this would be like throwing more petrol on the fire. We need less filth minded individuals walking around, not more of them.

      kkgakatsi - 2013-01-18 09:00

      wake up south Africans Hollywood an other industries are putting devils aka Satan$spirit in our minds think about rape in South Africa toptv and the media is controlling our mind read the headline -many south Africans welcome toptv porn I'm done

      phoenix.px.5 - 2013-01-18 09:08

      Rape is about power not sex. Seriously people get a grip.

      amandla.whereto - 2013-01-18 09:17

      Muffin do you also have a problem with action movies that depict high speed car chases, shootings, stabbings etc etc? SA does not only have among the highest rape statistics, but crime, violent crime etc as well By your logic if porn movies = rape then surely action movies = crime and violent crime Make no mistake, I do not have Top TV and do not intend to get it, with or without porn channels, but people should have the right to choose. Besides people who have money to pay for Top TV also have money to surf porn on the Internet or go purchase porn at the corner porn store (these are everywhere now!)

      peasant.mcpoor - 2013-01-18 09:21

      @ phoenix- exactly.there is less rapes in the most sexually liberated countries.but we dealing with ppl who are still packing their ox wagons for the great trek.

      owen.leroux.104 - 2013-01-18 09:40

      Kkgakatsi Do some research, and pull your head out of the bible. View my comment above...

      thando.gqabaza - 2013-01-18 12:23

      "Rape is about power" - typical liberal crap they've been saying for years.

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 13:31

      Uh, it IS about power and control. They don't do it to have a wonderful, intimate connection with the victim...

  • preshen.govender.12382 - 2013-01-18 08:20

    Porno is supposed to bring people together

      erich.goosen - 2013-01-18 09:15

      Couldn't Top TV kept their plans under wraps a little bit longer. The renovations at Nkandlaville is well underway and this announcement is surely going to increase the bill.

      chequ.checked - 2013-01-18 10:03

      lol...good one...

  • Mandy Casey - 2013-01-18 08:26

    Vast majority? The vast majority of people don't have top tv and could not be bothered with your pathetic little exercise. You will be looking for a new job soon, hope you have your CV out there. Put that in your pipe!

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 09:51

      Go back to church, modern society has no place for conservative prudes that insist on forcing their beliefs and morals onto others.

      Mandy Casey - 2013-01-18 13:44

      Surprised that you took the time from your porn watching schedule to post so many comments. Bored of porn?

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 14:38

      Yes Mandy, i watch porn at work, with all my colleagues free to see my exploits. F***ing stupid. And for the record, i would never waste money on paying for a hetero porn subscription... i can download all the free, sexy gay porn i want, at the click of a button. Now go pray for me and my lack of xtian morality.

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2013-01-18 08:27

    And ICASA remain silent.

  • tshivhombelaf - 2013-01-18 08:29

    Yes, why not? Let's blame the manner we bring up our children instead of blaming media. You buy internet enabled phones for our kids and they use them without your supervision. They access porn through these devices and friends.

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 10:00

      100% correct

  • klipkop.degroote - 2013-01-18 08:32

    so in other words the vast majority of South Africans have hairy palms. I will avoid TopTV but I do agree that we dont need the paranoid apartheid government back that even banned the song Sugarman by Rodriquez but then again porn surely cannot be a good thing but if the hairy palmers want it then I guess we cannot really moan about it, we can easily avoid TopTV and their porn. Sure they will make some money but people will get bored quickly and go back to hardcore porn on the internet, then money hungry slutty TopTV will hopefully go bang.

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 10:00

      Why would you hope they go bang? Do they not contribute to the economy, and provide employment?

  • wendy.n.schmidt - 2013-01-18 08:34

    Let the perverted rejoice! and may the children be molested ! What is wrong with people?

      phoenix.px.5 - 2013-01-18 09:09

      Porn turns people into paedophiles? Really??? Your comment is what is wrong with people.

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 10:03

      There is something wrong with you. You are clearly an ignoramus. How about you pull you face out of the bibles a$$, and do some research regarding the matter. Countries with high porn consumption and open sexuality, have lower incidences of sex crimes. Was that difficult? No, so why do you choose to be ignorant? http://phys.org/news187448961.html

  • damonsb - 2013-01-18 08:39

    Jisliakit...wie wil nou heeldag erjtie kyk.Oemskaloems.

  • katlego.msindo - 2013-01-18 08:42

    I mean really now, is this the only strategy they could think of to increase their profit margins. The problem with this idea of broadcasting pornography 24hrs is not very helpful to already broken society. As much as we can pull the freedom of choice card, reality suggest that porn contributes to dysfunctional marriages and robs people of true intimacy. I fear the worst is going to happen if this goes through and South Africa as a nation will be doomed for destruction.

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 10:06

      Sorry but religion has already paved the way for that. Porn won't make it any worse. Why is sex so evil to you? Do you not realise that it is the most natural thing in the world? Every single living organism on this planet has sex, every single minute of the day.

  • peasant.mcpoor - 2013-01-18 08:55

    Porn, porn stars and directors have more worth in this world than the REAL destroyers of life: lawyers, bankers, politicians,medical aid schemes, bottom lines,developers... the list goes on forever.I bet some of u f@ king prudes are in the above list.

      jutice.forall - 2013-01-18 09:18

      I guess it all depends on what value system you measure by

      peasant.mcpoor - 2013-01-18 09:58

      There is no value system in this.its plain simple truth that some ppl can't accept because of your minds backward wired templates.whether there is porn on all channels 24-7 or not- we will still have all our rapes,child sex tourism,dodgy brothels,baby rapes etc

  • jutice.forall - 2013-01-18 08:58

    Generations have lived quite happily without porn tv in this country. What real benefit will it bring - apart from maybe rescuing TopTV initially until people get board with it? How can viewers miss what they've never had? For viewers who advocate a porn channel, you are probably getting your fix elsewhere already. Isn't that enough? Do you really need to have it "on tap"?

      phoenix.px.5 - 2013-01-18 09:10

      I am sorry???? We don't have porn in this country???? LOL you clearly have an internet connection and you think there is no porn?

      compos.mentis.58 - 2013-01-18 09:20

      Generations have lived quite happily without cars in this country. What real benefit will it bring -

      jutice.forall - 2013-01-18 09:26

      Phoenixx, i was referring to porn tv channels (if you care to read more carefully). i didn't say there was NO access to porn in this country. On the contrary - there is, by various means where people who need it are probably already getting it. But ja, I said that already *sigh*

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-01-18 10:23

      Generations lived quite happily without electricity as well, or medicine, what exactly is your point? Or are you just trying to put your ignorance on display?

  • grant.logan.94 - 2013-01-18 08:58

    For those who have DSTV, have you seen shows like Californication or True Blood? What about all the reality shows that the kids love to watch? Double Standards much?

      dienaakte.waarheid.7 - 2013-01-18 11:50

      Read your pvr's manual much? PARENTAL CONTROL. Go ahead. Strain your brain.

      iamtoo.smarteskse - 2013-01-18 14:02

      @dienaakte.waarheid.7 BUSTED.. So you do agree that parental control is an effective measure of control. Therefore, TOP TV can go ahead.. Strain your brain..

  • clivegoss - 2013-01-18 08:59

    Now,at long last,I'll be able to watch Piston van Wyk'and Uli Smidt's life story. The happy hookers ! !

  • siyaphi.dlambili.masilela - 2013-01-18 09:04

    so south africans like porn?

  • evelyn.munsamy - 2013-01-18 09:05

    No to the porn channels

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 10:07

      No to ignorant prudes

  • Louise Whittingstall Barnard - 2013-01-18 09:05

    Come on DSTV get with the programme!!!! LOL

  • leedsunitedfc - 2013-01-18 09:09

    I think people need to get over this now. Virtually every person in the country has a cellphone capable of accessing the internet.

  • theresa.d.stewart - 2013-01-18 09:10

    Watching porn TV 24/7 simply cannot be normal. The rape statistics in SA are the highest in the world and Top TV still want to introduce 3 porn channels running 24/7 for these already depraved people to feed their minds on. When the statistics rise and more babies and older children are sexually abused or raped and women are raped in this country people will say "I don't know why this happens in SA" Just maybe it was the act of one these depraved sickos who had been feeding his mind on porn TV looking for an outlet. I'm sorry but I do not feel that it is the state of a healthy mind who would want to watch something like this non stop. There is already portion of our population that think that it is alright to abuse women and children for their sexual satisfacton and this will only encourage them all the more and also breed a lot more of these sick people.

      cc.fourie - 2013-01-18 09:48

      Watching sport 24/7 simply cannot be normal. Just because they are going to broadcast 24/7 does not mean you have to watch 24/7.

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 10:07

      http://phys.org/news187448961.html

      simon.m.coles - 2013-01-18 10:30

      Rape has nothing to do with sexual desire - it is about power and authority. Porn has nothing to do with influencing people to rape. The kind of porn that would be legal to broadcast on TV is very soft porn - depictions of rape are outlawed in most countries. The idea that you have to be "sick" or dysfunctional to watch porn is ridiculous.

      Amandlawhereto - 2013-01-18 10:35

      Theresa - who are "these already depraved people to feed their minds on"? Are you referring to existing Top TV subscribers or whom? These channels would be exclusively available to people who subscribe to them, you need to purchase a set-top box, satellite dish and pay a monthly subscription to watch porn 24/7, and there is porn in this country that is far more accessible than that.

      iamtoo.smarteskse - 2013-01-18 14:05

      @theresa.d.stewart - Using your logic, I can argue that praying 24/7 cannot be normal. It causes people to fly airplanes into buildings..

  • Andile Memela - 2013-01-18 09:15

    bring it on! maybe i wud cann DTSV (R650) for Top Porn

  • zulu.jstathought - 2013-01-18 09:35

    Welcomed ? i think not. South africans allowing individuals to make their own decisions maybe and free to choose definitly but dont say the majority welcomed the porn channel because that is just a lie. News24/Toptv get it right and dont mislead.

  • Brad - 2013-01-18 09:37

    pornhub.com is where I get my rocks off when required....and it's free.

  • mpho.rerani - 2013-01-18 09:42

    @kkgakatsi I think ur right! SA must wake up. Statistic of rape is going higher everyday. The double layer pin my foot. There lot of ppl who may not be able to operate those decoders. @Phoenix, rape is sex by force not only power.

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 10:10

      And why is that? Because the majority of people in this country are religious, and religion hates sex. Nordic countries have the highest consumption of porn, with the lowest incidences of sex crimes. http://phys.org/news187448961.html

  • Tishan - 2013-01-18 09:49

    Firstly its not for Free.. you have to pay for it.. like going to Sex Shop and buying the DVD's. secondly you need a Pin or double pin to access the channel. all those that are apposing this due to kids watching or will increase rape, have you checked your kids cellphones and see what they download.. what they get up to. get off your moral high ground, its our money and if I decide to order the channel its my business.. its upt to me to make sure its blocked when i am not at home, like its my responsilblity to ensure by "DVD's" are hdden away.

      Vince Lethu Ka Nkonyeni - 2013-01-18 10:04

      Good point tish i like it a lot who ever didnt get this now its loud and clear you dont want it u dnt buy end of story let us not oppose silly things!!

  • shaun.dragt - 2013-01-18 09:57

    Seriously, get over it. If you don't like, don't friggin watch it! It's all soft porn anyway...bit of a waste if you ask me!

  • simon.m.coles - 2013-01-18 10:17

    It is legal for adults to watch pornography, so let them watch it if they so wish. Top TV is a private, pay-TV provider which is not funded by the state or the public therefore they have the right to broadcast whatever they want within the law. The state and the puplic have no say - only Top TV's subscribers have the right to object.

  • george.lyon.102 - 2013-01-18 10:22

    Countries like India, where even public kissing is frowned upon, never mind porn, has some atrocious rape and sexual assault statistics, as evidenced by the recent student-rape-on-bus incident. I'm afraid the availability of porn has very little to do with it. This is a free country, so let every individual decide what they want. Personally, for example, I believe that religion is very dangerous and leads to all kinds of violence, but I'm willing to respect your right to practice it.

      mike.bundy.73 - 2013-01-18 11:10

      Absolutely right. I can't believe how many idiots have disliked your comment that you respect them lol

  • noxolo.vilakazi.7 - 2013-01-18 10:32

    This porn channel will increase rape issue that we already have in south africa. it will make people "horny" 24 seven that incourage those rapist to rape more and more.

  • tony.gassner.7 - 2013-01-18 10:40

    "The vast majority." Prove it!! Disgusting mentality - what obsesses a man overcomes him. Freedom is not as simple as it seems, it needs careful stewardship from the individual. Drug addicts think they can give up anytime they want. Check that out in the morgue. If you are obsessed by this, go and buy a DVD, lets not have it thrust down the throats of the gullible unsuspecting and vulnerable children.

      mike.bundy.73 - 2013-01-18 11:17

      Huh? People like you have banned drugs but the addicts still find them. You have created gun control but people are still getting shot. The history of this country saw the banning of all forms of pornography but it was still available. Try very carefully to understand the following: The banning of inanimate "things" does little to stop the use of those things; it only makes criminals of the users and billionaires of the suppliers. If YOU don't want it then don't use it. WE have no intention of forcing your children to view anything that they choose not to. BTW your sentence about thrusting down the throats of the children was quite creepy and disturbing, what goes through your mind?

  • nolan.may.180 - 2013-01-18 10:41

    This doesn't sound right, adults may be responsible for what they watch on tv but porn wlll definately in some way influence their behaviors?

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 12:28

      Yes, to be more sexually open and not be afraid or ashamed of the most natural thing on this planet.

  • george.lyon.102 - 2013-01-18 10:42

    I just wrote an e-mail to Icasa expressing my support for Top Tv's application. Let's not have a small minority of religious fanatics decide for the rest of us. The Naspers/DSTV journalist (TopTV's competition) has kindly provided Icasa's contact details, so I encourage all like-minded people to support Icasa's application by writing an e-mail. Don't be the silent majority any longer.

      dienaakte.waarheid.7 - 2013-01-18 11:54

      lol@toptv's competition. In order for it to be a competition, you need to have worthy competitors. Floptv is in business rescue, ie, a failed business. Dstv is ruling the paytv market, so no, no competition there.

  • Spiessa - 2013-01-18 11:05

    Really?!? With everything else going on in SA, some people have nothing better to do than complain if someone chooses to pay for Softcore porn? And for the last time, rape has nothing to do with porn. Rape is about hate, aggression and power.

      linda.m.yates.10 - 2013-01-18 14:33

      Then why did the killers/rapists of Sheldean Human and Micaela Gantjies use porn? 7-year-old Sheldean's killer had a room full of porn and Micaela's rapist & killer left porn mags lying around near her body.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-01-18 18:22

      Tell us why Linda, why did they use porn? And while you are at it please tell us why did these killers breath oxygen, eat food and drink water. Or maybe you should go and learn about correlation, causation and why they are not necessarily related. Correlation does not imply causation, and if it did we would have to ban all of the other things mentioned above and more so, I'm pretty sure there are very few things that can't be linked to some murderer at some point in time. By your insane lack of logic we should be getting rid of toothpaste as surely it is the most evil substance on earth that can be linked to every peadophile, murderer and christian ever.

  • catherine.vanschoor - 2013-01-18 11:20

    I strongly object to Top TV’s proposal to bring 3 porn channels to South African TV – this is a country with the worst incidences and rates of rape, child sexual abuse, infant abuse and violence in the world, and with one of the highest burdens of mental illness to the state. Top TV may argue that the link between porn and sexual violence is not a strong enough. I disagree strongly and refer to this testimony of an eight year old girl who was progressively abused over a period of years first by being forced to watch porn and then by being raped at the age of 8: (http://www.rape.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1629:i-was-only-eight-rapecoza-survivor-story&catid=50:submitted-stories&Itemid=136). Perhaps not all porn users become abusive sexually, but all sexually abusive people watch pornography, and pornography feeds and fosters their dysfunction – it disconnects them from reality and a life of empathy by locking them in an autistic world where only their desires matter, desires controlled by the fantasies they watch, entertain and then adjust their behavior to reflect. It is almost inevitable that the wrong eyes will see this content, in the same way that guns padlocked in a safe box can be hacked open and used to slaughter children – which is what happened in Newtown, Connecticut in 2012. Please act to prevent this from happening.

      linda.m.yates.10 - 2013-01-18 14:34

      YOU PUT IT VERY WELL!

  • zuko.mqolo - 2013-01-18 11:24

    Well its bwt tym reali

  • ashika.pillay.7 - 2013-01-18 11:38

    I am strongly opposed to the accessibility of porn in homes as there are many effects it has on a family & the morality in society. I don't feel the need to give examples or justify myself as deep down inside we all know the effects. I also don't welcome any arguments as I am not here to argue with anyone or change your mind, but merely to state how I feel. No one & nothing can can that as I'm sure if you believe otherwise the same applies to you. For me there is more to life than freedom of speech and freedom of choice. There is also self respect, human dignity and morality that counts above all else. In my view pornogarphy goes against all of these. I am a mother of three and I know the fears I have as a result of this sick world we live in. Thanks dienaakte.waarheid.7 for taking the time and passing on that information.

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 12:34

      If you are anything close to a decent parent, you children should be protected by having parental lock (YOUR children, YOUR responsibility). You will never completely protect them. Sooner or later, whether you have TopTV porn or the internet or simply a cellphone; if they want porn, they will get porn. Are you going to propose a block on the internet too? Or perhaps ban imagination? Nations that have high porn consumption have low rates of sex offences, and actually have increased morality. Do some research before you spew you biased opinions. I feel sorry for your children, they are clearly growing up in a household that shuns sex and makes it out to be dirty, which is stupid, as that 'dirty' act is done by trillions of organisms every minute of every day. http://phys.org/news187448961.html

  • therealdries - 2013-01-18 11:41

    When in doubt, screw the prudes.

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 12:34

      Prudes and stupid people are the worst.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-01-18 11:51

    I watched a porn movie once, I never laughed so much in my whole life. There were all these people climbing over, and on, each other making silly noises and the women all had the same expression on their faces. Overseas porn channels are as old as the hills and it is on during the night. Maybe that is why rape doesn't happen there as much as here.

  • vanessa.luckhoff - 2013-01-18 12:12

    Porn Sucks!!!No pun intended

  • renshia.roux - 2013-01-18 12:22

    I am concerned that South Africa is loosing it`s morality, why should we allow people to indulge themselves in sex programs so that there lust can be fulfilled. Kids will find ways to watch these programs and what will be the consequences? How can it be healthy to over expose people to sex and think nothing is going to happen.How do we think abortions, rape and ect. happens.Yeah everybody has a human right, but we humans don`t always now where to draw the line, some misuse their right to indulge and their actions have bad reprocutions for others, usually the victim.

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-18 12:36

      Excuse me but those things have been happening since the dawn of humanity. God aborts millions of innocent babies every year, yet somehow that is deemed acceptable. Damn hypocrisy.

      SarcasticHeathen - 2013-01-18 17:09

      Oh FFS!!! No-one is holding a gun to head forcing to watch it. You religibots are so scared you wouldn't be able to resist watching, that you don't even want your neighbor getting his jollies. Here is some free advice: don't subscribe to Top-TV. You have a right to not subscribe. PS: morality? Puh-lees you religibots wouldn't know morality if it slapped you in the face.

  • gski700902 - 2013-01-18 12:40

    TopTV has said that their planned bouquet of pornographic channels has been welcomed by a "vast majority of South Africans". Really? And how did they arrive at this conclusion? Did they only survey their own subscriber base? Moot point, really. ICASA and the religious bodies in SA won't let it happen, TopTV is in trouble and unlikely to survive - this is a desperate last-gasp attempt before they fold.

  • tracy.fraser.56 - 2013-01-18 13:10

    Those of you who support porn forget that who you see is someones daughter. How would you feel if she was your princess. I also ask if you know of anyone who has had their life destroyed by abuse and if you even care!

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-01-18 13:22

      Those of you who support toilets forget that the cleaner is someones daughter. How would you feel if she was your princess. I also ask some irrelevant question that has nothing to do with the subject at hand!

      linda.m.yates.10 - 2013-01-18 14:38

      GOOD POINT! Abusers ALL use porn. Sex offenders start out as normal people then they get hooked on porn. Child molesters often use porn to desensitize their victims.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2013-01-18 18:33

      Abusers all eat bread too...

  • linda.m.yates.10 - 2013-01-18 14:24

    Where did TopTV discover this about the "vast majority?" Did anyone toyi-toyi after ICASA turned them down last year? NO! In 2010 over 40 000 said no to DSTV plans for porn.

  • russellblack.cowan - 2013-01-18 14:44

    I'm sick of this country being run by a bunch of conservatives who are hypocrites themselves anyway and make us look like a conservative nation. Have people never heard of a thing called DEMOCRACY which was born in 1994 which gives us freedom of choice. In other words for these lunies, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO CHOOSE HOW YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE AS LONG AS YOU DON'T FORCE YOUR VIEWS ON OTHERS! As an experiment for these conservitive lunies, go onto google and type in the word "porn" and see how many sights come up where you can watch it for FREE. Maybe we should ban the internet to?

  • RikkySellis33 - 2013-01-18 14:55

    This thread is like a bad rerun. Porn causes rape, assault, domestic violence, objectification of women. Simply not the case for 99% of people watching. I would even go so far as to say that abstinence causes far more problems than indulgence, from getting married too early to pathological repression and distortions of feelings. What causes porn? Simply having sexual organs, to use the pc term this time. Men being mostly the watchers and women the performers. Like mentioned, porn is available for most who wish to watch. Censoring porn by extrapolation implies censoring almost every advertisement on TV too. I'm ashamed to admit this, but when I watch most ads I'm not thinking about the product being advertised... Yes I'm buying that product, despite the ad mostly having NO connection to product. Especially the in cosmetics industry. In conclusion I maintain that sex sells and everyone's buying, why make porn channels an exception?

  • christi.pierre - 2013-01-18 15:26

    Ja boet maybe there will be less rapes if top Tv starts to show the porno channels because the horny rapist will wank themselves to death and wont go to the streets after the movie. In America it shows all day and although there is also rape cases it is way less than South Africa. I think we are between the top 5 Countries where crime is King and as always we will try for the no 1 spot.

      timothy.smee.5 - 2013-01-18 20:34

      Amen

  • kyle.white.39750 - 2013-01-18 18:43

    Peopleust watch what they wish. You can gey porn on the net . Easy.

      timothy.smee.5 - 2013-01-18 20:31

      It is easy and you can view in your own time

  • janhendrik.vandeventer - 2013-01-18 22:37

    let them have porn. All these people crying over the children will get hold of pins etc if that happens the children have bad irresponsible parents that's to blame. Its not Top TV's job to create a wholesome enviroment for the child, its the parents job!

      SarcasticHeathen - 2013-01-19 09:55

      Any good parent will prevent their children form gaining access to those pins. If your kids get their hands on it, its your own fault for not hiding it well enough.