TopTV: Pornography is harmless

2012-01-17 10:31
Thinus Ferreira
Cape Town – On Digital Media (ODM), which runs the TopTV pay TV platform, has gone on the defensive over its planned porn bouquet, issuing a press statement saying that pornography "is harmless" and that "TopTV does not apologise for giving those who do wish to view adult content on television access to such content".

At launch in May 2010, ODM CEO Vino Govender said TopTV would not run pornographic channels as part of TopTV's business plan, saying "we are running our business with strong Christian ethical codes and we are not planning to introduce a porn channel. Besides, we don't want to poison the minds of the millions of South African children out there".

In September 2011 the company signed a carriage agreement with Playboy TV UK/Benelux to broadcast three channels – Adult XXX, Private Spice and Playboy Europe – as a stand-alone package and a separate subscription of R199, saying "stagnating to past statements will not serve the changed needs from our clients or assist our growth".

TopTV issued a press statement on Monday citing pornography research, TopTV's own porn package research, and explaining its porn plans again.

'Porn is harmless'

In the press release TopTV says pornography is "not only harmless, but it also reduces incidence of sex crimes in communities and in countries where people have free, non-stigmatised access to it".

TopTV's senior vice president of sales and marketing, Marius Liebenberg, says the pay TV operator notes that "those opposed to the new channels would appear to be in the minority" and that "the vast majority of people who have responded publicly and on social media networks say that they look forward to the introduction of the adult content".

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Liebenberg said: "The matter has stimulated debate afresh on adult content, its accessibility, the sexual lifestyle choices of people and the very strong reactions – both positive and negative – that the imminent launch of the Adult Pack of channels in South Africa has provoked''.

Dr Eve: A bold move

In the press release TopTV said Dr Marlene Wasserman, known as Dr Eve to millions of South Africans, is calling "TopTV's initiative to create the adult pack of channels a bold move".

"Solid and comprehensive sexuality education for both parents and children is absent, she says and there are scant models for children around healthy relationships and sexuality. Poverty, unemployment, inadequate healthcare and poor education leads to sexual violence. Adult content does not," read the press release.

TopTV says "such material is already freely available in the market place on mobile phones, the internet and at specialist outlets.

"TopTV is satisfied that it has more than sufficient mechanisms in place to protect those who are either too young to be exposed to adult television content, or those who take exception to such content.

"However, TopTV does not apologise for giving those who do wish to view adult content on television access to such content."

Plans halted

TopTV wanted to launch the porn package on December 20. The date was moved to Friday, January 20, but the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa (Icasa) was granted an urgent court interdict to prevent TopTV from launching the bouquet before a public consultation process took place and Icasa can decide on whether to approve the new porn package or not.

TopTV's porn plans have engulfed the pay TV operator which is finding itself in the middle of massive public furore.

Its plans elicited widespread criticism from the public, faith-based groups and the Film and Publication Board (FPB) which said it will "strongly oppose" TopTV's porn plans.  


  • jandreleroux - 2012-01-17 10:54

    If porn is harmless then according to this kind of reasoning Malema must be a genius!

      Fred - 2012-01-17 11:04

      Can you please expand on your view of the effects of pornography? Why is it more dangerous than graphic violence on television - you know, shooting, clubbing, throat slitting, blood spurting, knifing, beating up, etc.? I would be interested to know.

      Patrick - 2012-01-17 11:05

      This whole thing is ridiculous and completely unconstitutional. Everyone is saying how terrible this will be for a country, if you don't want said channel then don't go out of your way to get said channel, if you don't apply for it, then IT WILL NOT AFFECT YOU! There is truck loads of porn available on the net but you don't see anyone saying how the internet will negatively affect South Africa?!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-17 11:49

      Your reasoning can only be equated to that of Malema's...

      Peter - 2012-01-17 11:50

      @ jandreleroux, the fact is that during Apartheid when all forms of porn were banned and the censors even put stars on nipples, South Africa developed one of the highest child abuse records in the world. If you don't like porn that's great, but can all the nannies out there please stop forcing their alleged morals on me?

      Gary - 2012-01-17 12:14

      Peter Please stop forcing your immorality on me.

      Patrick - 2012-01-17 13:45

      @ GLY - Please just remember that morality is subjective rather than objective. Kind regard.

      rbczovczov - 2012-01-17 14:22

      The funny thing though is how these religious nuts are ignoring the easiest and biggest source of pornography for kids, THE INTERNET. At least TopTV pornography has access control, only adults can subscribe, and costs money which kids are not likely to have. The rest of us adults must not be made to pay for the mistakes of fools who fail to control what their kids watch in their households.

      Donald - 2012-01-17 14:43

      The irony of this stupid debate is that hardcore porn has been on South African TV for many years already, but many of the now current objectors do not know that. I subscribed a number of years ago via PSAT on the Internet, they came and installed the decoder and dish in my home in Centurion, and I was connected. so... wtf? really...

      Johan - 2012-01-17 15:42

      Logic? Let me guess, you also believe in some or other invisible man in the sky?

      jandreleroux - 2012-01-17 17:49

      Go and read about some of the negative effects of porn here

      Hugh - 2012-01-17 18:20

      Good on you!

      jandreleroux - 2012-01-17 19:01

      Read the article not just the url You will see that this is based on research not just some guys reading of the Bible

      Rainbow - 2012-01-24 10:22

      Porn has no place in a country were people rape children, dogs , goats , chickens and corpses.

  • Hugo - 2012-01-17 10:55

    Dont be Naive this will have a negative impact on the South African society.

      Fred - 2012-01-17 11:01

      Care to explain how?

      Patrick - 2012-01-17 11:05

      There is truck loads of porn available on the net but you don't see anyone saying how the internet will negatively affect South Africa?!

      Twain - 2012-01-17 11:12

      Hugo can't explain how because he doesn't really know.

      Anthony - 2012-01-17 11:26

      @Hugo, What has a negative impact on South African soceity, is watching the "news"

      TheRealWarrenB - 2012-01-17 11:29

      Porn happens in every house just about every night! The only difference is there is nobody watching you!

      Thando - 2012-01-17 11:31

      Since the late 1990's we've seen a massive increase in sexual crimes in SA' The demand for child porn on the internet has meant an increase in child trafficking. There are websites where paedophiles traded content easily and as a result the demand for content went up. Even non-child porn - women are enslaved and forced to perform in these videos. There was a report a few years back stating that whenever etv broadcast late night soft porn - the amount of rapes in prisons increased dramatically. I'm tired of liberals staing that porn causes no harm. If you enjoy it and it doesn't affect anyone - good for you. There is however a definite link between porn and an increase in sexual crimes world wide. even in europe you have human trafficking. Apart from crime , I also think some of these sick videos warps peoples minds and younger men have unreal expectations of women when exposed to this from a young age.

      Anthony - 2012-01-17 11:34

      @TheRealWarrenB, You lucky devil !!!!

      Louis - 2012-01-17 14:29

      I agree Hugo, some time back a study was done that came to a conclusion that porn does affect married couples and does eventually lead to divorce and seperation.

      Hugo - 2012-01-19 07:03

      @ Fred and Twain and Johan and Patrick 1 This channel will play 24 hours a day, what do you think that will do to some people's thought patterns watching even 4 hours a day. 2 Think of Hostels at Universities and Schools, they will just leave it on the channel as if it is normal. 3 Shebeens and Clubs will feel it is now ok to screen porn. Generally accepted. 4 At house parties the guys will put it on that channel to entice girls 5 People start to act what they see. 6 Grown ups leaving the TV on and children watching. Some people just don’t care. 7 Its a drug of the senses it is not harmless. Democracy only works when there is a certain standard of morality. Example: If people go crazy and say it is fine to chop of someone’s hand or kill a boer and majority think it is ok or to do corruption, that does not make it correct. That is why there is a law, which is above democracy. Look at the American Forefathers they also said that democracy only works as long as people have good moral standards. Take Notice of That! It is the responsibility of our government to protect those whose voice is not heard, which includes the children and the next generation.

  • Fred - 2012-01-17 11:00

    "widespread criticism from the public, faith-based groups", and they wonder why normal people resist the imposition of bronze age superstitious beliefs on the rest of society. I think the members of these 'faith based' groups could do with a bit of sex education. May open their minds to the joys of living this life and not some nonsense life in lala land after they die.

      rbczovczov - 2012-01-17 14:22

      The funny thing though is how these religious nuts are ignoring the easiest and biggest source of pornography for kids, THE INTERNET. At least TopTV pornography has access control, only adults can subscribe, and costs money which kids are not likely to have. The rest of us adults must not be made to pay for the mistakes of fools who fail to control what their kids watch in their households.

      SaintBruce - 2012-01-17 18:45

      Fred, ever had to unravel the effects of multiple soul ties through casual sex? Besides AIDS being sexually transmitted, there is a "Spiritual Aids" that causes immense damage in relationships both inside and outside of marriage. The Bible, by the way, has a lot of sex education from which we get moral and ethical standards of behaviour between men and women. When this is broken down, as porn promotes, women become victims of violence and abuse. Maybe you have never made the connection between American porn broadcast here with White women acting like hussies which are watched late at night by folks who then believe all white women want sex all the time! Look at the RAPE stats by black men on white women. Cultural violence or influenced by soft porn? What will hard porn bring us? Peace? I sincerely doubt it.

  • Gemma van der Merwe - 2012-01-17 11:07

    How did you reach that conclusion jandre?

  • Johnathan - 2012-01-17 11:11

    Top TV, just qualify your statements with research or once again is this asking to much from an irresponsible media company. So top TV, please advise the ZA public on the actual statistics of pedophiles that watch porn verses pedophiles that don't. So 5 seconds of research = How about the IDC-10 / DSM diagnosis. Sound harmless to the ZA public? I personally would not touch the Top TV service in future, not because of the porn issue, but because of the irresponsible approach Top TV is taking and the uneducated statements coming from our respectable CEO's of media companies on this country. Frankly the CEO should hang his head in shame or be fired for driving such a negative response to the Top TV brand in the ZA public. Guess my HD PVR and I are going to be friends for a long time to come ... o yes Top TV, maybe get some real content and you would not have to create the hype over porn.

      planetdonovan - 2012-01-17 11:18

      w. t. f.

      Grant - 2012-01-17 11:23

      Don't use statistics backwards. If you assume that because most pedophiles watch porn, then porn must TURN them into pedophiles, then you must also assume that because most pedophiles have contact with children, then children must TURN you into pedophiles too! Most vegetarians eat fruit, therefore fruit makes people become vegetarians. Its absurd!

      Buck - 2012-01-17 11:27

      IDC-10(Chapter5) and DSM are classification systems for mental and behavioural disorders. How is this harmful to the ZA Public? Trying to link paedophillia to porn is illogical. I love porn but will never see children as sexual onjects. in fact it (porn) maybe responsible for my healthy sex life!

      Twain - 2012-01-17 11:37

      "just qualify your statements with research" - You mean like your broken research? Because using your (broken) logic it would imply that you thought of naked kids as soon as you looked at porn. Or are you saying you've never seen porn before?

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-17 11:44

      @Johnathan. Your link doesn't actually prove your case . Pornography doesn't create pedophiles. And most of the porn that will be shown on TopTv will have adult actors not children so most pedophiles won't be interested. Its on a subscription bases and not free to air so s.t.f.u. and get a life.

      ludlowdj - 2012-01-17 11:59

      if Wikipedia is your only source of information in this regard you have a lot more to worry about than porn my friend.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-01-17 14:00

      @jody - you say "most". I sincerely hope "all" of it contains adults - if not adults then who's doing the "acting". Very worrying....

      Neville - 2012-01-17 14:30

      Hey Johnathan is this a subtle way of informing us that you have a HD PVR, because if you do have Dstv why the need for Top Tv as well?

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-17 16:26

      @Chum Rubber. Most as some might be 18 to 21 which aren't adults yet. What's so worrying , that some one could have a opinion other that yours ? And it is adult acting , believe it or not people still have sex , when was the last time you were in a mutual relationship with a person ? Or are you a bible basher that firmly believes sex is the devil ? I be your a closet pedophile (or gay) trolling for kiddies. Damn the man.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-17 18:00

      If you want to know how many pedophiles watch porn it's a really simple calculation: see how many priests own laptops.

      Johan - 2012-01-17 18:11

      Johnathan, I am willing to bet that more pedophiles have been exposed to The Bible during childhood, than those that were not. So shall we blame The Bible? Because that is what you are saying...

      Gerda - 2012-01-17 18:39

      Well said Johnathan.

  • Phoenix - 2012-01-17 11:11

    Porn degrades MEN. Hapless men are forced to endure the attention of the gorgeous female porn stars. Men have no defense against this. Save MEN, stop porn and stop hot sluts from using men for their deviant pleasures!!!

      Phoenix - 2012-01-17 11:20

      No. Only for guys that went to Michaelhouse.

      Fred - 2012-01-17 11:28

      LOL! These naysayers need to pay less attention to who some people sleep with and more attention to how little some of them have to eat.

      Patrick - 2012-01-17 11:31

      Wow, mud-slinging, very impressive.

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-17 11:48

      You can rent it , download it for free on the Internet and smart phones but don't let it be broadcast , porn I mean. If it where free to air then complain but , you need a "different" decoder so unless you subscribe you won't see it. Damn the man.

      Anthony - 2012-01-17 12:39

      balestrom---to be honest with u when i watch porn i dont look at the male face--[clearly u do-- so we can assume u watch porn] i have many other things to watch but when i do notice the male face i always see pure ecstacy,which is the same look i have on my face lol

      Wayne - 2012-01-17 12:42

      Bwahaha! Well said!

      Phoenix - 2012-01-17 13:25

      Seriously Patrick. Get a sense of humour. FFS

      Patrick - 2012-01-17 13:38

      You can't post responses like that and expect everyone to understand that it's apparently a joke. FFS.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-01-17 14:04

      Phoenix, ja, places a lot of pressure on men - like sex should be some kind of performance instead of a relaxed act involving pleasure with your partner. In the first place the huge organs the stars have give okes penis complexes, and then the length of time they spend on the job gives okes performance complexes. I prefer to stick to reality, much better for my ego.

      Phoenix - 2012-01-17 14:42

      LOL I thought it was quite obvious that I was just kidding??? :) It was a satirical comment on the 'porn degrades women' brigade.

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-17 16:31

      @Chum Rubber . So how long is your ego , about 5 cm ? No wonder you don't like porn , you can't compare ! Damn the man.

  • Heinrich - 2012-01-17 11:18

    I wonder if this statement has any brain matter behind it.

  • Saksak Motsepe - 2012-01-17 11:27

    I hope that ICASA has been keeping track of public comments regarding this porn matter. If they have then they would have long realised that we don't have a problem if TopTV gives those poeple a CHOICE to have porn on their tv. Religious people should not be allowed to regulate a free society. Dankie

      Fred - 2012-01-17 11:30

      Religion has done love a great service by making it a sin. - Anatole France (1844-1924)

  • Balanganani Ibrahimovic Makhani - 2012-01-17 11:29

    I look for such shows sometimes on late night viewing. It wont hurt if is under control. I wil stop going to strip clubs

  • Balanganani Ibrahimovic Makhani - 2012-01-17 11:30

    I look for such shows sometimes on late night viewing. It wont hurt if is under control. I wil stop going to strip clubs

  • Gary - 2012-01-17 11:34

    Just look at the progression of porn and then try and tell me that it is harmless. It started with topless women, then it progressed to full frontal nudity, then sex, then perverted sex with animals. then gay sex and people are now posting unauthorised vouyer pictures. When the "customers" got tired of a type of porn the suppliers had to think of something more extreme. Before I am classed as a prude, those that look at porn ask yourselves how would you feel if you saw a picture of your mother/wife/daughter, that was taken by a hidden camera, posted on the net. Porn is a scourge and there should be more steps taken to stop it. Just look at the outrage of people regarding the child porn case currently in progress. I dont hear anyone defending the accuseds rights to produce porn, yet many people still think that watching it is acceptable.

      Gary - 2012-01-17 11:51

      Fred I guess that you are about 12 years old. Try using Google.

      Wayne - 2012-01-17 12:46

      @ GLY. Are you saying porn made BY consenting adults is a gateway to paedophilia? WTF!

      Gary - 2012-01-17 13:00

      Wayne P{lease re read my comment again. No where did I state that the making of pron was a gateway to paedophilia.

      Fred - 2012-01-17 13:12

      I see you still fail to provide the sources for you assertions. Still waiting ...............

      Gary - 2012-01-17 13:35

      SIGH Fred, When I was at school (many years ago)The magazines that were available only showed topless women and later full frontals. Look at the movies that were around 40 years ago and compare them with today. That is how I know. Now tell me how would you feel if someone you knew came up to you and said that your mom/wife/sister/daughter looked really hot naked. His source a website that posted pictures of your mom/wife/sister/daughter that were taken with a secrect camera in a clothing shop. How would YOU feel. Not all porn is consensual adults. At what point to you does porn become unacceptable to you?

      Phoenix - 2012-01-17 13:46

      ooo NO NOT GAY SEX!!!! OMG!!!! How will you cope Gly??? LOL Gly stop buying gay sex DVD's and watching gay sex on your computer.

      Yaschin - 2012-01-17 13:57

      Its not porn if it is taken by a hidden camera, thats illegal. Simple comparison buying a tv from a store or buying a stolen tv from the side of the road; you are still technically purchasing a tv but one is straight crime so comparing the to is like those retarded ads where they compare buying pirated dvds to terrorism. Plus why you hating on gay people, let them have sex on camera if they want to; freedom of choice is a wondrous thing.

      Gary - 2012-01-17 14:08

      Fred /Yaschin. Please where did the Gay comment suddenly come from. By the way Fred yes YOU have avoided my question. Care to try an answer?

      Yaschin - 2012-01-17 14:16

      Im guessing you mistyped that one, there it is in the middle"then perverted sex with animals. then gay sex and people are now posting unauthorised vouyer pictures. "

      Phoenix - 2012-01-17 14:44

      too funny

      Fred - 2012-01-17 14:52

      @Gly Ag please. How does one respond to a whole lot of hypothetical questions? We are talking about facts. Now where are the fact for your assertions made at 11:34. I know you don't have them so you are avoiding the issue by asking hypothetical questions. But then we are getting used to you making sweeping statements and propagating falsehoods. "Thou shalt not bear false witness." What part of that commandment do you not understand?

      Fred - 2012-01-17 14:56

      OH Gly I note you are quite happy to ask for statistics elsewhere on this board. Anyway, let me help you with a couple of links - Research concerning the effects of pornography is inconclusive on the issue of crime. Some studies support the contention that the viewing of pornographic material may increase rates of sexual crimes, while others have shown no effects, or a decrease in the rates of such crimes. However, most of these studies focus on various correlations, and correlation does not imply causation. ....the United States alone has a staggering 244 million Web pages featuring erotic fare. One Nielsen survey found that one out of every four users say they visited adult sites in the last month. So in the last two decades, we have conducted a vast experiment on the social consequences of such material. If the supporters of censorship were right, we should be seeing an unparalleled epidemic of sexual assault. But all the evidence indicates they were wrong. As raunch has waxed, rape has waned. This is part of a broad decrease in criminal mayhem. Since 1993, violent crime in America has dropped by 58 percent. But the progress in this one realm has been especially dramatic. Rape is down 72 percent and other sexual assaults have fallen by 68 percent. Even in the last two years, when the FBI reported upticks in violent crime, the number of rapes continued to fall.

      Ernie - 2012-01-17 21:04

      Dear Gly. Clearly you hav e no idea what you are talking about. Humanities fascination with the female form goes back to adam and eve I am sure. King Solomon adored a females form in the Bible. Artists painted naked people for centuries. I am afraid that porn is nothing new. The means to produce it is different these days because of our technology, but it is still here. I also don't understand how watching adults perform incite pedophilia? And if a pedo watch porn dont you think he/she will watch kiddy porn? And lastly if my Girlfriend has a body to die for and wants to show it off, let her. I am not a insecure A hole about it. It is her body. she can do with it what she wants. As for people using hidden cameras, as far as I know it is a crime because you are talking something without consent, but what does that have to do with porn? I mean on some porn vids the camera are so close you can almost smell it. If that is not consent then I don't know.

  • Jan - 2012-01-17 11:38

    From a Christian perspective, the relationship between a man and a woman is one of commitment and the resulting sexual part of it is private - 'for your eyes only'. The Muslim faith is as strict about this. Thus I can safely state that open sexual conduct on TV or any other medium is in contradiction of the belief systems of the major religious groups of the world. It is damaging to family life as it entices people away from their commitment to their partners. It also teaches children that contradictory behaviour to the teachings of their faith is acceptable to authorities. Now why would Top TV want to do that? Luckily it will not be available in my house.

      Peter - 2012-01-17 11:56

      "From a Christian point of view" - stop right there! Religion has caused more mass murder and violence than any other factor in the world and should be the one banned. If you don't like porn, don't watch it! If you and your ilk are so weak that you are brainwashed into sin if you watch porn, then you would do it porn or no porn...

      Gary - 2012-01-17 12:06

      Peter stats please

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-01-17 14:10

      Peter, agreed - religion has caused a lot of misery, but it has also given humans a lot of good common sense rules to live by. Without religion I believe anarchy would reign on our planet. (By the way, Im not religious) Porn gives a false impression of what sex is all about, so it is misleading us.

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-17 16:46

      @Chum Rubber. Porn is bad if viewed by children or even some young adults but the rest of us have a choice. If you don't like it then don't watch or participate, but you can't tell me what to do , because then I'll tell you to f$ch right off ! Damn the man.

      MagdaKus - 2012-01-17 19:42

      @ Peter - don't forget that numerically greatest culprits were those specifically anti-faith like Hitler & Stalin (who possibly wiped out more humans than all religious wars to that date; OK- related to increase in population numbers, but still valid), not to mention Pol Pot in Cambodia & many genocides in our time that were either ethnically or economically or both (but generally not religiously caused).

      Pulverturm - 2012-01-18 12:43

      MagdaKus, I hate to inform you, but Hitler was very openly a Roman Catholic and often cited scripture in his speeches, including speeches about eradicating the Jews. So your argument falls flat on its face there.

  • Rainbow - 2012-01-17 11:39

    In the press release TopTV says pornography is "not only harmless, but it also reduces incidence of sex crimes in communities and in countries where people have free, non-stigmatised access to it....... lies top TV officials with dollar signs in their eyes. Our country is riddled with people who cannot control their sexual urges and will even rape dogs to satisfy them. I can visulise tavern owners showing porn on their telivisions to attract customers and the drunk sexual carnage that will follow or the shack dweller ( and believe me some of these people even have DSTV in their shacks) charging kids and other neighbors small fees to come and watch porn. Thereafter .... I will leave the rest to the imagination.

      Thando - 2012-01-17 11:46

      Fully agreed. These Top TV B@stards don't care what happens to society - as long as they make money.

      Thando - 2012-01-17 11:48

      Agree - Top Tv does not care about acenarios like this or even what happens to society - as long as they make money. I'm amazed that a TV station comes up with spin like that to defend pornography - just shows you how desperate for cash they are.

      Fred - 2012-01-17 12:50

      "Our country is riddled with people who cannot control their sexual urges" Has it never occurred to you that these are signs of a sexually repressed society?

      Thando - 2012-01-17 13:31

      @Fred - No its a sign of an immoral , animal like society. There's somthing called discipline. It is what seperates civilised men from animals. People like Sigmund Freud took us backwards by urging us to embrace our primitive instincts. Look all around you - the peak of our civilization has already been reached.

      Buzz - 2012-01-17 13:46

      @Thando: I thought it was our opposable thumbs that seperated us from animals.

      Twain - 2012-01-17 14:28

      Yes, what we need is morally upright religious folk who never touch the opposite sex and abstain from sexual practices of all kind. Kinda like all those priests who touch little boys.

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-17 16:57

      @Thando. Believe it or not we all have sex and will always be a "animal like society" if we are sexual oppressed by society and religion. That doesn't mean we should all go and rape or that its a free license for to have sex with anything that moves , but we needs outlets and we deserve the choice. Its rich to think that only religious people have morals, those morals are regurgitated from the bible and have lost touch with the reality of today. If god didn't want porn he'd kill all the porn-stars. Damn the man.

  • ludlowdj - 2012-01-17 11:56

    I just love South African logic, prostitutes sell their bodies on street corners with very little fear of arrest, World cup cities investigated promoting sex workers during the cup and massage parlors and "whore" houses are on the rise and a very real threat to the morals of our youth and people want to jump on a subscription network for porn, People in this country must be the most confused bunch of idiots in the world.

      Fred - 2012-01-17 12:50

      I am trying to understand the logic of your comment. I am afraid I failed.

      Johan - 2012-01-17 16:02

      Fred, you are expecting theists to be logical?!? You should know better.

  • chris.petzer - 2012-01-17 12:03

    Serial killer Ted Bundy himself confessed to the harmful effects pornography could have on an individuals. see Yes I agree that porn is already freely available via the internet, but remember that a great deal of our population still don't have internet access. It is more likely for a minimum wage individual to have a TopTV subscription than a ISP. Ban all porn, soft-core and violence from our screens. They all play a role in degrading our society, and for some a platform to more brutal crimes. All forms of media is responsible for creating our frame of reference and the formation of our children's minds. Let try and clean it up!

      Klipkop - 2012-01-17 12:21

      hear hear! How can porn be okay? Seriously. Food for thought, many other reasons why it is bad but here is some ~

      Fred - 2012-01-17 12:51

      Ja - lets be like Saudi Arabia.

      Buzz - 2012-01-17 13:48

      @ Chris: Are you proposing that we make more criminals of people or just that we take away more freedoms because people can't responsibly raise their children?

      chris.petzer - 2012-01-17 14:12

      @ Buzz: My belief is that porn, in some form or way is a detriment to all who view it, irrespective of your age, yes even you should be forced not to look at it... It got nothing to do with freedom. Disobey the speed limit and you are more likely to make an accident. You don't share the same viewpoint... that's ok.

      Phoenix - 2012-01-17 14:57

      Porn is not illegal - so it is not like disobeying the speed limit. It has everything to do with freedom of choice. Why can you decide for me or anyone else that we may or may not view something that is not illegal?

      Buck - 2012-01-17 19:34

      and now a serial killer is a voice of reason?

      chris.petzer - 2012-01-18 07:59

      @Phoenix & Buck: My argument is that it should be made illegal because of its harmful effects. We should listen, and learn from others mistakes, even if they were serial killers. I give my 3-year-old freedom of choice up to the point where it becomes harmful to her. “Make porn illegal” - you see it as limiting your freedom of choice, I see it as protecting our society. It’s comments like yours that reflect the level of ignorance our society has evolved into. Porn is harmful! - Don’t take my word for it, go research it for yourself! - Porn is a drug that leads to addiction. - Porn is a form of sexism. - Porn portrays all women in one of four degrading, dehumanizing categories. - Porn makes men get bored with their own wives. - Porn cultivates a single standard of beauty that no real women can live up to. Also see: (Pornography's Relationship to Child Molestation)

      Phoenix - 2012-01-18 11:45

      Oh yes let me rush off and check your Oprah reference! LOL No problem - at least gay porn is still ok by your definition then? Good. I think you have issues.

      chris.petzer - 2012-01-18 13:32

      @Phoenix: I rest my case...

  • nyirendamd - 2012-01-17 12:08

    TOP TV's plan is plain immoral. This is a clear case of Executives who will seek to make every cent possible regardless of whatever damage they may cause. 1. Ponography pollutes, PLAIN & SIMPLE. 2. Ponography dehumanises Women The FPB, ICASA and all morally upright SA's must ensure this insane channel do not manage to broadcast their pollution. ICASA, we are counting on you to make the right decision - NO TO PORN!

      Klipkop - 2012-01-17 12:22

      Spot on.

      Wayne - 2012-01-17 12:49

      Close minded much!

      Phoenix - 2012-01-17 14:59

      Really and porn does not dehumanise men? Sexist much? So you are OK with gay porn then?

  • The-third - 2012-01-17 12:39

    I don't see the fuss. If you WANT to view it you need to subscribe and pay for it, have the hardware installed etc. If you don't want to then DON'T DO IT. Simple as that. Not like you cannot access porn for free online, so what's the big huha about accessing a paid for service? Nah man, let's concentrate on stuff that actually impacts on everyone.

      Johan - 2012-01-17 16:14

      As simple and logical as that may be, the "faith-based groups" will not understand. Logic has never been their strong point.

  • Ryan - 2012-01-17 12:42

    The only people defending TopTV, are the ones trying to avoid having to download and source porn in the future. Admit it guys!

      Fred - 2012-01-17 13:00

      And most of the people jumping up and down about it believe that there is an invisible magic man in the sky who grants wishes.

  • Derek - 2012-01-17 12:59

    So is arsenic...until you drink it.. ..

  • Brett - 2012-01-17 13:17

    The Porn industry is a multi billion dollar/Euro,etc industry, so there is definetly a huge audience/following. The so called new age (with the technology we have available) is supposed to allow us to watch what we want, whenever we want to....whether you like it or not it will eventually come (no pun), as somewhere somehow in our corrupt society someone in some organisation will approve the broadcasting....subscribe/don't subscribe!?! your call

  • Wayne - 2012-01-17 13:23

    That awkward moment when a paid for Porn service get's more attention on News24 than the millions of people dying Malaria and Aids....

      chris.petzer - 2012-01-17 13:37

      Both topics deserve attention. For most this hits closer to home...

  • Johan - 2012-01-17 13:49

    To say that porn is harmless is, quite frankly, naive and reveals the level of ignorance and lack of exposure to its consequences of those who say it. A large part of that which I do on a daily basis consists of helping men who are caught up in compulsive sexual behaviour. Porn is one of the central factors in this. I am not saying that banning a porn channel will put the material out of the reach of those who have problems in this area. I am just saying that to use it's supposed harmlessness as in argument in favour of such a channel is plain dumb. My own position is that anything that can be done to minimise the availability of porn should be done. Before anybody sees fit to share their one cent's worth of wisdom on the matter it will be wise to first look at families who are broken up, men who lose their jobs and sense of worth as men and women who are objectified in the process. If you have not seen this you don't know what you are talking about and should preferably keep your "wisdom" to yourself.

      piet.strydom - 2012-01-17 15:07

      I completely agree with you Johan. There are two distinct debates that should be held - whether TopTV should be allowed to show porn, and secondly whether porn is harmful. And actually, the second point is not a debate, as you have pointed out. Some people would argue that alcohol also gets abused, but at least alcohol has some benefits. People that claim porn have benefits are pursuing very limited, selfish goals in life.

      Johan - 2012-01-17 16:19

      People are killed in motorcars every day. Should we ban all cars?

  • roy.a.remy - 2012-01-17 13:57

    The real issue here is not pornography. The issue is privacy. Porn is probably the last of the private vestiges that we as society hold dear. Think about it for a minute.In your bedroom, you probably already have a TV your cell phone next to your bed and a girlfriend that turns to twitter to consult her BFF every other night on this or that or god forbid, your poor performance. Now she has to live up to Lisa-love-lips who can suck the stone from a peach with no blemish. How awful! Woe be it to a sexual awakening of South African bedrooms where cobwebs, dust and the smell of mothballs linger...

  • EyesEars - 2012-01-17 14:06

    There is nothing more frustrating than trying to watch a movie on tv and all of a sudden there is a "lick-my-d@@@" advertisement, which 1) children does not have to see 2) parents do not have to explain what exactly is happening, without lying to the child 3)you want to vommit at just seeing it. Hell, why does everything have to revolve around sex, money and drugs, Don't most people have a life? Then for the action movies, thrillers, etc. you can still choose that a child does not look at it. As for the porno movies, there are alot of adult shops as well as adults who are willing to shop movies with movies. Most of the best movies plays late at night and because the child cannot sleep, it is cutomary that the child joins the parent for these kind of "episodes" because the parent wants to watch it and in the process brainwashing the young minds into sex driven or violent driven activities. Internet activities can also be curbed to a certain extent, but only if you keep a watchful eye. In most cases porn also leads to men seeking protitutes or any easy girl. If not fount, it leads to rape. How many evidence of rape cases and hospital cases do you still want?

  • Final.Punishment - 2012-01-17 14:14

    TV sucks people!!! there are better ways to spend your money to watch the stuff we want to watch.. not what is being forced apon the people of the country. DSTV - too expensive for a bunch of rubbish. TopTV, you guys go!! do the porn and hoping it makes a big impact on how people in our counrty are not just looking at porn, but the way everything is being controlled by goverments and not oursleves..

  • rbczovczov - 2012-01-17 14:21

    The funny thing though is how these religious nuts are ignoring the easiest and biggest source of pornography for kids, THE INTERNET. At least TopTV pornography has access control, only adults can subscribe, and costs money which kids are not likely to have. The rest of us adults must not be made to pay for the mistakes of fools who fail to control what their kids watch in their households.

  • Richard - 2012-01-17 14:33

    The word porn is immediately condemned. If it is made available with the required protection to avoid access by children then adults surely have the right to make their own choice. TO say it is harmful is a joke since it is already available on the internet to ones heart content. Just try and google a few of the juicy phrases and see what comes up. I have greater worry to restrict my kids from getting access via internet as no protection is built in. If you do not want to watch it then you need not. That is a personal choice that is given in that you firstly have to pay for it then have access control. Surely we have more important things to worry about. This is not about approving or disapproving of porn but saying that adults should have a free choice. Go watch one of the action movies on DSTV and every second word starts with F..... and girls are throwing their breasts around all the time. How is this allowed and then the movie is marked PG 13. Double standards.

  • koo.doyle - 2012-01-17 14:49

    The bottom line, is that porn is easily accessible to anyone who wants it over the Internet, or at the video shop. For goodness sakes, let those who want a TV channel have it. If it offends, don't watch it. This is not about should porn be allowed in SA in general, it already is. One more medium is not going to make the slightest difference.

  • Dave - 2012-01-17 15:09

    Is the decision to view this not the individuals? if you want to watch it watch it if you don't then don't subscribe. Same as violence on TV I would class some of that way worse than watching some porn on TV.

  • David - 2012-01-17 16:39

    If your precious little kiddie has a cell phone, he has access to pornography. A special bouquet that needs to be paid for by a parent will be far more inaccessible to him.

  • Jacques - 2012-01-17 19:10

    harmless or not, you must be sick or brain dead to watch the rubbish... it would be good to see how many buy this... that will show the number of walking brain dead in

      sean.looney - 2012-01-17 20:33

      i'd say you must be even more sick to create false scenarios in your head about having sex with people you know? or don't you masturbate at all?

  • Preshen - 2012-01-18 08:11

    Porno makes everyone happier

  • lunghile.ndleve - 2012-01-18 12:38

    "Man has been obsessed with the naked female body for ages and ages.. When he discovered fire, his first thought was not now I can cook my meat".. He said, "great, now I can view booty even at night"... Lol..

  • beryl.knipe - 2012-01-19 09:03

    WELL SAID THANDO! THREE CHEERS TO YOU! Shame, it seems as though there are SO MANY sexually depraved and dysfunctional people around that they find the need to watch pornographic material? How terrible for them!

  • beryl.knipe - 2012-03-09 04:28

    Fred probably works for Top TV. Shame, for him to be supporting pornographic channels makes him sound SO desperate! Never mind, Fred, you'll get better eventually. Time heals all wounds;your healing will just take a little longer.

  • Jack Thomas - 2014-10-13 19:03

    "In the press release TopTV says pornography is "not only harmless, but it also reduces incidence of sex crimes in communities" Like calling the ANC honest hey!

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