TopTV porn plan elicits record response

2013-02-01 14:01
Thinus Ferreira
Cape Town – TopTV's application to start broadcasting pornographic TV channels in South Africa has provoked a record response and prompted the largest number of submissions ever received for a channel authorisation request made to the country’s broadcasting regulator.

TopTV's porn bouquet plan shattered the TV industry record by prompting a flood of 285 submissions to the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa (Icasa) from the South African public, organisations and TV industry stakeholders.

Never before have the South African public, organisations and the TV industry responded in such huge numbers to an "authorisation for channels" application – usually a boring process.

Icasa now has to decide when a public hearing will take place which the industry and the public are always free to attend.

Backed out of first hearing

On Digital Media (ODM), which runs the struggling TopTV service in South Africa, backed out of its own public hearing at the beginning of 2012 when it filed a similar authorisation for a porn bouquet. Icasa officials were not able to put questions to TopTV executives about its porn bouquet and encryption plans and the application was eventually denied.

TopTV suffered brand damage in the resultant public outcry due to the controversial application and investors threatened to pull out. Shortly after the application was denied, TopTV's CEO Vino Govender was suddenly out and Eddie Mbalo took over as the new interim CEO at the pay-TV operator.

Now a year later, TopTV applied again to Icasa to run three 24-hour pornographic TV channels - Playboy TV, Desire TV and Private Spice - as a separate bouquet with a separate subscription.

Channel restriction

The porn bouquet will have a double PIN. The planned porn bouquet's channels will be blocked to ordinary TopTV subscribers although the text of the channels' individual and edited programme descriptions will show up on all subscribers' electronic programme guides (EPG). The porn channels will all have a restriction of R18 – the highest possible classification.

TopTV said that the porn bouquet application, if successful, would on its own not be enough to save the company which is currently in business rescue and looking for partners who can fund a capital injection into the Woodmead based pay-TV operation.

Icasa confirms that the regulator received 285 submissions about TopTV's porn plans. "We are currently analysing all the submissions," said Icasa.

More than routine

South Africa's broadcasting regulations, similar to countries such as India, do not allow for pornographic channels to be shown on the service of pay-TV operators. According to the Film and Publication Board (FPB) the law allows people seeking pornography to go and buy it at shops and specific outlets where strict regulations apply.

Application for authorisation requests for new TV channels in South Africa are usually tediously boring and merely routine administrative processes. The massive response from South African society, which TopTV's second try at potential porn broadcasting has provoked, makes this application however anything but routine.

Comments

  • JP - 2013-02-01 14:24

    We already have naked domestic workers ,gay marriages etc so this is another step to make South Africa a progressive nation bring it on.

      deabreu - 2013-02-01 15:34

      I notice all the thumbs down, strange that this "porn" is available for free - online - on cell phones. So a PAID option is LESS likely to be abused.

      wendy.n.schmidt - 2013-02-01 18:27

      Progressive .. means better for all .. perhaps you mean perversion ?

      pick.afinga - 2013-02-02 09:05

      The word "progressive" implies progress. So please, do elaborate, in which way will this result in progress for the Republic?

      Doep100 - 2013-02-04 07:24

      I love seafood so bring on the prawn!

  • marius.koen2 - 2013-02-01 14:24

    I just cannot understand the big fuss. I do not support the availability of porn as such. But why don't people object about porn being so freely available on the internet and cellphones? Why is it only on the TV that we get such a big objection from the people. And on the TV I think you can actually manage it better than snooping around on your kids phone, tablet or PC. Double standards

      rainbownationrsa - 2013-02-01 14:54

      becuse mariuis this country is not mature enough to handel a porn channel. The high rate of sexual crimes , especially against children makes it imperative that we stop access to porn to the best of our abilities. Yes porn can be obtained by cellphone but at a price and the average south african cannot afford to top up their airtime every day to accomodate it. Top Tv is a monthly installment and in many cases a whole family clubs in to pay the suscription so it will make it more aqffordable. As for internet ,the general, native, population do not have access to it . We have enough sex crimes against woman and children why bring in another instigator. Porn belongs in filthy sex shops not in the family home and especially not in a country like South africa where sex crimes are so high.

      cc.fourie - 2013-02-01 15:08

      @rainbownation, perhaps you are not mature enough.

      fther.christmas.35 - 2013-02-01 15:14

      So rainbownation, do you also propose banning the internet? Do you want to ban dirty thoughts too?? Do you have statistics to back up your claim that whole families club in to pay the subscription?? Are you aware of how much it costs to surf porn on a cellphone - somehow I doubt it. I'm guessing you're just a rabid christian trying, as usual, to force your views on everyone else. If, in your words, the general native population doesn't have access to the internet, do you have statistics on hand as to how many of the "general native population" have TopTV. Bet the answer is no...again.

      wendy.n.schmidt - 2013-02-01 18:29

      c.c.fourie, amazing that the only argument you have is to be personal .. you are exactly what rainbownation is talking about.

      cc.fourie - 2013-02-01 19:12

      Thing is, it is always the religious people who are trying to dictate what others can and cannot do. And yes, I do consider religious people to be a bit immature - adults should not have imaginary friends.

      kerzner.kops - 2013-02-02 07:44

      People will say porn and rape are not linked bcos such people have not yet been affected by rape. The majority it's men bcos they will most likely never be impacted directly since rapist target women and defenseless children as well as elderly women by default. So they can jump up and down in defence of porn since they're not affected. Just wait until their own children or partners get raped and they'll be singing a different tune. It goes without saying that as a man when you view porn, you get aroused unless you're completely impotent - that's a fact. Common sense says when you're aroused as a man, you need to get some relief and if you don't have a partner, then it's either you jerk off or hit on the next available easy target that won't give you much resistance. Poor girl children, elderly women and women in general get to fall victims and NOT men. This doesn't need statistics, just use common sense. While asking for statistics, rapists are rampant out there and they don't care with your statistics. I don't care whether you label me or not. We're having a serious rape problem in our society, so let's not pour more fuel into it!

      corne.reynders.3 - 2013-02-02 09:02

      You know I don't understand it democratic country democratic rights it does mean coz your neighbour has porn he will become a over night serial rapist..in south africa people are way to narrow minded Rape isn't something that suddenly sprang up one Sunday afternoon its been around since before Jesus was born so what's the point. And child molesting doesn't only happen in South Africa and what I do in the privacy of my own home is my bussiness and I refused to be questioned. So please if you don't want the porn channel you don't need to subscribe to it simple. And please Mr and Mrs I am so holy...don't make like its disgusting because aLl of you peep though your fingers.

      cc.fourie - 2013-02-02 09:06

      @kerzner.kops, what you think is "common sense" is exactly the opposite of what I think is common sense. Being more open about sex, being able to talk freely about it, discussing boundaries and what is and is not acceptable, etc, can only help to reduce sexual crimes. On the other hand, a repressive religious upbringing will do just the opposite. That, to me, is common sense. Tell me, why do you think priests are molesting children? So while I understand your concerns about rape, you are wrong in thinking that porn will make it worse.

      pick.afinga - 2013-02-02 09:16

      @Marius Perhaps parents should rather focus on installing nanny software to prevent their kids from watching porn on the internet, rather than "snooping around" watching porn on their kids PC's /tablets / whatever? In a country with rampant poverty and crime (including sky-high rape statistics), would you honestly say that a low-cost porn channel would contribute positively to the moral fibre of this country and guarantee that it will not have ANY negative impact? Consider also that the internet is not as freely available and that probably 99% of the population can't afford to stream porn over an internet connection 24/7. We can't do much about the availability of porn on the internet. We can, however, do something about TopTV. As I illustrated above, a TopTV porn channel will make porn more accessible than it currently is via the internet.

  • gvangreunen - 2013-02-01 14:25

    I think they're screwed!

  • ann.padoa - 2013-02-01 14:36

    Is there not enough rape in this God forsaken country already.

      ianmichaelcalder - 2013-02-01 14:54

      Ann, you couldn't possibly be thick enough to think that porn causes rape? As stated above, its not like porn isnt accessible anyway - And here is the kicker - if you don't your children watching porn at YOUR expense (because I can guarantee you that they will see some anyway), then don't subscribe to TopTV?

      ianmichaelcalder - 2013-02-01 14:55

      Any secondly, rape has been happening since a HELL of a long time before the advent of the video camera, so please don't come back with some stupid assumed facts for which you'll have no concrete evidence.

      markus.ippy - 2013-02-01 15:29

      I think that is exactly the reason. I think the stuck up mentality towards sex in this country is exactly the reason why there are so many rapes . Look at rape statistics of countries with a open attitude towards sex and look at their statistics ...

      pick.afinga - 2013-02-02 09:21

      @Ian She didn't say porn is the only cause of rape. She only said that it can contribute. Are you honestly naive enough to believe that pornography has never contributed in any sense to rape? @Markus. Please provide us with a reference to said statistics.

  • Dave Camacho - 2013-02-01 15:07

    the people commenting on this subject and saying that porn causes rape must obviously have very very sad sex lives and still see sex as something dirty! i once caught a very respected priest in a forest getting a blowjob from a stinking roadside whore!maybe if he watched porn he wouldnt have to subject to this! Rape has been around since day 1 of this planet, its disgusting! Sick people rape, not porn! i cant handle closed minded brainwashed idiots!

      markus.ippy - 2013-02-01 15:36

      Well said , most people here are so stuck up they switch the lights of and feel ashamed while they do it , because of their religious brainwashing

  • bruce.sahli.3 - 2013-02-01 15:09

    The DEVIL/satan nibbling again,SA is rotting away,may our PRECIOUS LORD JESUS intervene!!!!!!!

      markus.ippy - 2013-02-01 15:35

      Why is there so many brainwashed folk out there . If it does not fit your lifestyle don't watch it ... But leave others the freedom of Joyce

      ianmichaelcalder - 2013-02-01 16:37

      Yes Bruce, may he intervene by whisking you away to your cloud palace, and the leave those of us who aren't confused to live in a zealot free planet. God hates porn, but god made us beautiful and naturally wired to like sex. OH THE HUMANITY, WHAT ARE WE TO DO, ITS SO CONFUSING.

  • teddy.beer.319 - 2013-02-01 15:14

    Sex sells. My pastors car is advertised by a sexy blonde girl!

      Mandy Casey - 2013-02-01 15:30

      Obviously not Catholic then ...

  • ian.robertreid - 2013-02-01 15:18

    Those who support this Devil's industry r pathetic people?? get a life already?? grow up?? get yr minds out the gutter??

      ann.padoa - 2013-02-01 15:27

      agree with you 100%

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2013-02-01 15:59

      Agreed! Why pay to watch other people fondle one another when you can go to church and get fondled by the priest for free?

      fther.christmas.35 - 2013-02-01 17:58

      You know Ian, you remind me of so many of the staunch anti-porn, christianity-must-rule-our-every-thought sort of people I came across during my national service in the police. At least that was the image they projected but meanwhile a good number of them had porn magazines stashed under the mattress, more than a couple had nude pics of their children hidden away and even more molested the maid when no-one was looking. Funny that. Tip - when you go away on holiday and leave your house empty, always take the dodgy stuff you claim not to have with you...

      squeegee.pilot - 2013-02-01 19:18

      Funny how mentioning porn attracts religious trolls and bottom feeders like flies to a turn.

  • linds.ronhouse - 2013-02-01 15:21

    It's either you support censorship or you don't. You cannot berate the ANC for trying to censor the media but at the same promote TV censorship. Give people freedom to choose what they want to read/watch.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-02-01 15:24

      Yes, exactly right.

      Mandy Casey - 2013-02-01 15:34

      Exactly why you already have outlets where porn is available. TopTv are pushing their luck too far. Hope they know how to swim cause the ship is sinking ...

      Berto Petra Mostert - 2013-02-01 16:57

      Linds - that argument is seriously flawed - to give people the freedom of choice! A high percentage of adults are psyciatric borderline cases and many are functioning on a level of imaturity - same as a child! to give those people porno freedom is problematic

      cc.fourie - 2013-02-01 17:10

      A high percentage of adults believe in an imaginary man in the sky. That is the problem.

      fther.christmas.35 - 2013-02-01 17:52

      Yeah Mandy...you realise that many of the rabid anti-porn brigade on here would regard your profile pic as disgusting/dirty/filthy/pornographic right? They'll come after you next and try to ban your FB profile. Watch out!!

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-02-01 20:48

      "A high percentage of adults are psyciatric borderline cases and many are functioning on a level of imaturity - same as a child! to give those people porno freedom is problematic" - But you are happy to let them control dangerous machinery (cars), make important decisions (voting) and all sorts of other things. Are you perhaps one of the borderline cases you refer to?

      pick.afinga - 2013-02-02 09:30

      @linds.ronhouse So do you really believe we should allow child porn to be broadcasted? Because that is what you're argument implies (go read up on the "false dilemma" fallacy). Surely you must be able to distinguish between censorship of news (which equates to the prevention of the free flow of information) as opposed to the censorship of pornography?

      fther.christmas.35 - 2013-02-02 12:53

      @pick.afinga That's a lame argument. Porn involving consenting adults is not illegal. Child porn is illegal. Surely you can distinguish between censorship of that which is not illegal versus that which is illegal?

  • nettie.potgieter.5 - 2013-02-01 15:29

    If TopTV want to be TOPs get sport channels for rugby and cricket at beter price than DSTV premium.

  • Berto Petra Mostert - 2013-02-01 16:52

    A corrupt pornographic father/parent will raise (an even more) corrupt pornographic child! some adults/parents are less mature than a child and unfortunately a chronological age is not a good enough criteria/ license to access porn material! we must prevent our nation to be corrupted further than they are.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-02-01 20:51

      Is this Berto or Petra speaking? Why do you share an account, could you not afford two facebook accounts?

      Mandy Casey - 2013-02-02 00:53

      Is it James or Malcolm?

      fther.christmas.35 - 2013-02-02 12:59

      @Berto Petra Mostert So chronological age isn't sufficient...then what is? Must we undergo IQ tests? How do you propose to separate the immature adults from the mature adults? Will you decide the criteria? I'm assuming you have done extensive research that indicates the statement you make about corrupt/pornographic parents is fact and not just something you made up?? Would you advocate the culling of these "even more" corrupt pornographic children....or is there a bible camp that will sort them out?

  • cheers.perez - 2013-02-01 19:52

    Sex sells. Porn sells even more. That's why there is such a rush for the channels. Sex is fun. Porn is addictive. Check the computers at work!

  • fawzia.bayat - 2013-02-01 23:17

    i think people should re-visit their souls , hearts & explore & engage in self -analysis of the afore-mentioned as well as their brains & minds. Would they want their children to watch what is so-called approved a couple of brain dead individuals?

      fther.christmas.35 - 2013-02-02 13:01

      You need to re-visit your own brain Fawzia. Why do you assume that parents who have the TopTV porn channel will allow their children unfettered access to it?

  • vandal.svz - 2013-02-02 00:31

    At the risk of being vilified i would suggest that there are 2 reasons as to an 'abnormal massive response from SA society'....a multitude of responses coming from self enriched members of the public, lacking in business skills but having enough resources to pursue a questionable application!!! The second being a desire shared amongst the majority at a obsession of white naked females as an opportunity to good to resist!

  • ray.ryno - 2013-02-02 07:31

    what ive been noticing while reading all these comments is that religious folk, pardon me for saying this, wants to be dominated. they want to live in convents where theyre dictated about what they should do and shouldnt do. and now when it comes to something that rubs them up the wrong way( and dare i say it's everything and anything) they want to curse ad swear and codemn us to hell. but as soon as their freedom of choice is removed then they make a scene, but want to forbid others to have any freedom at all. I say we should give this a try. hell, it might spice up relationships and cut down on divorce rates, cheating, rape and maybe even teach us all a lesson about sex. Besides, it's they're desperate attempt to make a comeback.

  • ndumiso.mncwango - 2013-02-02 08:43

    That's the problem with the world in general, ppl wanting to tell other ppl how to live their lives. The majority of ppl complaining have nothing to do with topTv, they are not subscribers

  • SirFGrumpy - 2013-02-02 09:59

    Silly really, just give them the damn license. You can get hard core porn on the Internet anyway, mostly for free I am told.

      cc.fourie - 2013-02-02 10:37

      "...I am told." - LOL

  • malcolm.stevens.129 - 2013-02-02 10:29

    If the porn channel is made available in a separate bouquet the what is the fuss about? It's freely available on the internet anyway. Let people pay to watch it on their telly's as long as there's an eays way to ensure children cannot get access.

  • Aubsz - 2013-02-03 10:07

    OMG 285 applications...the horror.

  • obadia.segwape - 2013-02-03 11:25

    i want porn

  • linda.m.yates.10 - 2013-02-04 10:09

    Real men don't do porn.

      cc.fourie - 2013-02-04 12:17

      Real men (and women) don't need an imaginary friend.

  • linda.m.yates.10 - 2013-02-04 10:12

    Porn makes normal minds sick; and sick minds, sicker. To all those who want TopTV to screen porn, why are you fighting for the "right" to watch filth?

      cc.fourie - 2013-02-04 12:18

      Normal people don't think sex is dirty or "filth".

      cc.fourie - 2013-02-04 12:31

      And to answer your question - I don't like religiots telling me what I can and cannot do. Freedom of religion also implies freedom from religion.

  • linda.m.yates.10 - 2013-02-04 10:16

    Double PIN codes won't help the kids who wander in while Dad or whoever is watching sleaze on TV.

      cc.fourie - 2013-02-04 12:21

      The kids are too busy watching porn on the internet or on their Blackberries. That is a much bigger problem. If you want to do something about porn on the internet (where no PIN code is needed), you will have my full support.

  • linda.m.yates.10 - 2013-02-04 10:17

    TopTV porn would be a gift to child molesters who could persuade kids that that stuff is so normal it's even on TV ...

      cc.fourie - 2013-02-04 12:25

      If parents educate their kids about sex, instead of pretending that it does not exist, this will not happen.

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