TopTV porn 'will ruin our kids'

2013-04-04 10:33
Thinus Ferreira
Cape Town - TopTV's proposed plan to start broadcasting porn channels on the South African pay-TV service is coming under attack again, this time from Women and Men Against Child Abuse (WMACA).

The organisation has come out in a strong stance to say that as child rights activists they are "deeply concerned" about TopTV's porn plans and that there is the chance that the sexual content will be exposing children to harmful material, which could halt their "healthy development".

"For us at WMACA the public testimony of women, interviews with pornography users and sex offenders, and various other researchers' work, have led us to conclude that pornography can be an important factor in shaping a male-dominant view of sexuality, be used to initiate victims and break down their resistance to unwanted sexual activity, contribute to a user's difficulty in separating sexual fantasy and reality, and provide a training manual for abusers," WMACA said in a statement.

'Internalising deviant behaviour'

WMACA also believes that the pay-TV broadcaster's porn channels have the potential of "ruining children's sexual development".

"Women and children exposed to child porn are internalising dangerous deviant sexual behaviour.

"Children are also often affected badly by broken and or dysfunctional marriages as a result of pornography used by a partner," the WMACA writes in the statement, indicating that children are being exposed to more and more extreme pornography at younger ages.

TopTV appeared before South Africa's broadcasting regulator the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa (Icasa) last month for a public hearing over TopTV's application for authorisation for the separate bouquet of three porn channels.

Business rescue

TopTV wants to broadcast three porn TV channels - Playboy TV, Desire TV and Private Spice - as a separate bouquet, with a rating classification of R18. TopTV have proposed that they will only air adult content in the watershed period of 20:00-05:00 and that subscribers would need to enter a PIN code every 30 minutes to minimise the risk of exposure to children.

Icasa is still in deliberation over TopTV's porn application. TopTV is currently in business rescue and told Icasa in its application that their "ability to offer certain of our subscribers the channels that form the subject of this application, would help greatly in our attempts to take the business to a sustainable future".

The channels will be provided to TopTV by Playboy TV UK / Benelux Limited in England and uplinked through SES Platform Services in Munich, Germany to South Africa.

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Comments

  • QuestionSam - 2013-04-04 10:41

    Hmm, "ruin OUR kids" ?? How can one be concerned about your kids if you yourself subscribe to porn channels. It is pin protected, thus does it mean (IF you subscribe) that you will leave your pin open to your kids? C'mon. Also, parents and institutes should stop being so naive. If their kids wants access they will get it by any other means. Parents should rather spend time educating their kids to handle such things such as porn, when and if they get exposure to it, in today's world of technology it is inevitable that kids will be exposed to such things. It is WHAT they do when they are exposed to it.

      jean.tredoux.31 - 2013-04-04 12:30

      I'm sure kids of today only use their phones with free unlimited internet access for educational purposes and to download cool Jesus songs! Toptv should be the last thing on their worry list!

      Religion IsEvil - 2013-04-04 13:23

      Cool Jesus songs? Lol is there a song about how Jesus was a shapeshifter? Because according to new ancient texts... he was...

      Religion IsEvil - 2013-04-04 13:56

      *new ancient texts = newly discovered

      Kevinwilliams - 2013-04-04 23:21

      Q, I think we all can agree that porn is so much openly available to kids, I mean Phones, internet, magz, etc etc. Could that be the reason why school kids have sex in school and post those vidz to their friends and buddies ? Could that be the reason why Anene got raped and murdered so she cannot talk ? ?Could it be that this open society has created kids that just hangs around and mxit, sms etc etc...Could it be that we are breeding a generation of No-Goods? I don't say that as a statement of fact, but I am asking questions that needs answered. You are correct that parents should take their role more seriously. But what if that parent is a 13 year old, who was pressed into his sexuality before his/her time ? What if we, the 60+ generation was much more safe than what our kids are today because of of the lack of technology ? Could it be that this generation os living off of the visual? Could it be that someone might be watching porn, or going to a strip club or somewhere where the naked eye beholds the beauty of the female species, and not having enough money or character to get a woman goes and force himself on someone that cannot defend back? Could it be that by just going to a disco or a place where women dress to attract someone becomes so sexually aroused that he needs to get off somehow ? But because he is broke, and needs a "FIX" takes out his lust on some 3 year old who cannot fight back ? Can it be that porn could be that catalyst ? ? ?

  • Wake UP - 2013-04-04 10:48

    No discipline ruins kids, parents don't parent anymore because they try to be best friends. but then again looking at the stats, it's kids that are becoming parents which brings me back to my first statement, no discipline ruins kids.

  • Tshephangsithole - 2013-04-04 10:49

    You ruined your kids long time ago. Get rid of their smartphone and they will never keep those nude pics and videos.

      Donovan Hendricks - 2013-04-04 12:57

      Lol Tsephang,a bit harsh,but a spot on comment,well said ha ha ha!

  • deon.duplessis.144 - 2013-04-04 10:51

    I might not agree with the "moral ethics" behind the porn channel, but I still would like choice. I thought we lived in a free society where I can actually think for myself and also make decisions for myself. I wonder when last this lot had a look at their children's cell phones? If you have a phone that allows internet access, you can download as much porn as what your heart desires, no password needed at all. I think it is a ridiculous argument, especially in this day and age!

  • Nicholas De Villiers - 2013-04-04 10:53

    Seriously now. If any kid wants porn they will use their smartphone. Do any of these people realise how much porn is circulating around schools? if your dumb enough to have a crap pin then its all on you

  • Peter Ndamase - 2013-04-04 10:56

    Nonsense, this kids have access to porn sites 24/7 online. This is a democratic country, you have a choice to lock the channel from your kids and yourself. Our rape stats are very high already, clearly porn channel can't be a factor to men who rape. I will not mind a porn channel, it is a freedom of choice after all.

  • Wessel Oosthuizen - 2013-04-04 10:57

    Ffs, switch on the fking parental control, or better yet, dont subscribe and your kids will be fine!!!!!!!! Gawd!

      Sandile B Ntuli - 2013-04-04 11:30

      i agree. And what bloody happened to this thing of kids sleeping 20h00 everyday...

  • Bryn Barker - 2013-04-04 11:00

    People who say things like this are a joke. Do you seriously think the porn channels are just going to sit next to the documentary channels for anyone to watch? Firstly, you have to opt in and pay more, and secondly, they would be pin protected. If you don't want the channels, just do nothing and they will never bother you.

  • Knae Craduoce - 2013-04-04 11:02

    A recent US study on convicted sex offenders has revealed that there is a stronger link between being raised in a fundamental religious household and becoming a rapist than there is for exposure to porn. http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/28803/title/Porn--Good-for-us-/

      Pulverturm - 2013-04-04 13:36

      I wonder who the 5 retards are that gave you a thumbs down :)

      Sean Rossouw - 2013-04-04 18:32

      No no go away! People dont wanna hear the truth here, just justifications for their own biased opinions that fall apart when critically analysed, and you're not allowed to do that either!

      Kevinwilliams - 2013-04-04 23:36

      Now, there we go. Which country makes the most off Porn ? You guessed right !! The US of A. So why would they wanna do the right thing....The saying says , "Money talks". The stats was probably sponsored by a Porn house.

      Knae Craduoce - 2013-07-21 16:48

      Kevinwilliams - Your argument fails when you also consider which country makes the most money out of fundamentalist Christianity.

  • Kev Roy - 2013-04-04 11:05

    what a load of crap!! if kids really wanted to see porn there are many more much easier ways to access it! even google it.

  • Joe Smith - 2013-04-04 11:12

    90% of the internet is porn, what's the big deal about putting it on tv with parental guidance control, when it's so easily available on the internet?

  • Devon Kallend - 2013-04-04 11:14

    Im only getting TopTV once they win this battle :)

  • Jacques - 2013-04-04 11:18

    Aggg bollocks. I've seen 2 year olds play games on tablets, these kids will be exposed to porn long before they hack the code to some lame toptv porn channel. These wmncwmmwa twits will have to outlaw apple, samsung, blackberry and nokia along with toptv.

  • Muffin_man_can - 2013-04-04 11:20

    Porn should be kept off tv, it will make it more accessable.. Like so many point out, porn is all over the net and you can buy copied porn movies on almost every street corner, why do you still need it on tv??

      Nokuthula Tshabalala - 2013-04-04 11:30

      It must be done privately not on public television

      Kurnel Sol-Tie - 2013-04-04 11:44

      Now listen here Gods fracking dammit! We are not just going to stand by and watch while the fracking Cylons try to tell us how to live our lives! There's a Gods frackin war on!!

  • Cape Gtown - 2013-04-04 11:22

    Porn demeans women and encourages sexual abuse! I am a man and don't need porn to be stimulated; just the love of my wife.

      Nokuthula Tshabalala - 2013-04-04 11:41

      Yes bcz if a man mostly watching porn movies , when he goes to d wife he thinks d wife can do d same of which is wrong

      Scooterza - 2013-04-04 11:53

      I am happy for you. Not everyone agrees though and this is the point of a democratic and free society. We ALL have the freedom to choose what we view. If you don't like porn, that's fine. But you have no right to infringe on other's rights to view porn if they so choose. Provided it is not "in your face" and reasonable steps are taken to prevent children and those that shouldn't see it from viewing adult content, this should be a non-issue.

      DikgosiThokoane - 2013-04-04 12:49

      Yeah right, we believe u.....

      Religion IsEvil - 2013-04-04 12:58

      Actually there are more women that watch porn. Plus, how exactly does it degrade women? Sex, the most natural thing on this planet degrades women? Are these women forced to do porn? No, they CHOOSE to be porn stars. Yes some maybe get abused, but the vast majority of porn stars say they love it and wouldn't do anything else. Doesn't sound very degraded to me.

      Sean Rossouw - 2013-04-04 18:24

      @CAPEGTOWN: Which is why women are abused and mistreated so much more in countries with TV porn, like the Netherlands, Germany and France, compared to those without, like Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Congo and most of undeveloped Africa... right? /sarcasm Come on, get back to the real world.

      CAPEGTOWN - 2013-04-04 20:16

      @seanrossouwslr The purpose of porn is to create a fantasy for the viewer, an experience that they would not normally find in society, well not voluntarily. The problem comes in when individuals no longer get stimulated by just watching but want to experience the fantasy first hand. The values that porn embodies will corrode your mind and will eventually you will have a skewed perception not only of what to expect in a relationship but also how women should be treated. In most rape cases, men are the aggressors and porn only exacerbate the problem in our society - it is disgusting.

      Sean Rossouw - 2013-04-04 21:09

      Once again, no proof. Porn by itself is a graphical representation of a sexual intended for stimulation. This 'fantasy' stuff you talk about is in certain genres of porn, but not all. I see no proposed mechanism of porn making a viewer 'desensitized' and 'want to experience it firsthand' that cannot similarly be applied to Action movies, Sitcoms, Soapies or Dora the Explorer. The values expressed and treatment of women are again, dependent on the individual video and not the whole group. Many women watch porn, does this make them mistreat women? Is this not similar to the distinction drawn between an action movie violence and a forced torture/death video? One is understood to be fantasy for entertainment, the other is sick and morally abhorrent. Again, if your argument was in fact true, we would see this 'corrosion of the mind' in societies with easy porn access, yet we do not. We do, however, see much more woman abuse and rape in uneducated and destitute societies, which in most cases do not have access to digital pornography. This is correlation, not causation, but it falsifies the initial premise of correlation all the same.

      Bart Onderweegs - 2013-07-21 18:12

      ow Capegtown, everything you watch on TV is fantasy in a way. Or do you think that people who watch "Die Hard" believe it's all real and do the same things as Bruce Willis as soon as the TV is switched off!

  • Pen Portrait - 2013-04-04 11:34

    It's ok to watch your daughter bumping uglies with one of your friends? The only difference is the person on screen is someone else's daughter, so it makes it right? Doesn't it?

      Scooterza - 2013-04-04 12:02

      As to the morality of porn, this is another debate entirely. My feeling here is that demonising TopTV whilst ignoring the myriad other options for viewing porn is hypocritical & farcical. It's like putting burglar bars on all your windows but leaving the front door wide open. If porn is the issue, then let's talk about stopping porn from being available in sex shops, on the internet, in magazines etc. Frankly this is impossible (How do you stop the internet?!) So practically speaking, we have to ensure our kids are protected as far as possible from stuff until they are mature enough to handle it. That's the only practical solution. Those that want porn can (and should) be able to get it.

      Religion IsEvil - 2013-04-04 13:08

      Yes, if it is that daughters choice, then so be it. Her life, her body, her decision.

      Sean Rossouw - 2013-04-04 18:27

      You realize that argument applies to you/your girlfriend right, seeing as you/your girlfriend is also someones daughter?

      Bart Onderweegs - 2013-07-21 18:16

      If it was my daughter 18+ years old, and that would be her free choice, then I would have to accept that choice. It is legal. I'd rather have her doing porn than trafficking cocaine.

  • Oscar Blade - 2013-04-04 11:34

    You incredibly stupid people....there's porn on the INTERNET????? If you want to watch porn on Top TV you will have to: first get a Toptv subscription, then pay extra for the porn channels and then get a specual code. Now do the maths on what is the easiest way to get porn???!!!!! Get a bloody life you pathetic, bored people.....

      Buntu Ngoma - 2013-04-04 11:51

      If you were to help these people who want a pornography to stop, what would you do?

      Religion IsEvil - 2013-04-04 13:08

      Why must they stop? It is their basic human right to watch porn. Or are we all living in a huge church?

      Oscar Blade - 2013-04-04 19:11

      @Bantu, why would I help people stop pornography? If someone wants to watch porn it's their choice....who do these people (aka religious zealots) think they are telling others how to live their lives...

  • Lehlohonolo Humane - 2013-04-04 11:35

    Totally unacceptable ? What is the lesson to our coming generation.I thnk this new world order(illuminati) they want these earth down in the drain.

      Nokuthula Tshabalala - 2013-04-04 11:38

      They are promoting rape

      Religion IsEvil - 2013-04-04 13:09

      Countries with the highest rates of porn consumption and atheism have the LOWEST rates of crime, and sexual crimes. Fact

  • Tim Vd Westhuizen - 2013-04-04 11:42

    All these opponents against porn on TopTV are sure doing an excellent job of advertising the fact that soon TopTV will have these channels by getting these stories in the media. Great job fellas!

  • Patricia Burness - 2013-04-04 11:45

    Bad parenting ruins kids not TV!!!

  • Alta Steyn - 2013-04-04 11:46

    You go, WMACA!!

  • CAPEGTOWN - 2013-04-04 11:53

    Comments that I've seen so far all make the statement that porn is everywhere and especially on the internet; I'm not disputing that but making it available as a television service will only increase mens' appetite for sexual fantasies. There are different genres from teen to interracial and this will only compound the sexual problems we have in this country already.

      Sean Rossouw - 2013-04-04 21:13

      How dare people of different race have consensual sex! That is definitely a sexual problem that you have identified there... /sarcasm

      Bart - 2013-07-21 18:49

      So by becoming a priest in the Catholic Church decreases the appetite for sexual fantasies.

  • Trevor Bush - 2013-04-04 11:53

    Brings back memories of the NG KERK...LMAO...Porn is to blame for rape and abuse and the majority of men in SA are rapists so say these "organisations"...LOL...ag shame ne.

  • Merry Martin - 2013-04-04 12:00

    Oh when will some people grow up? If a person does not wish to have porn in their home, then do not subscribe to the porn channel - really very simple! Sure, some porn is demeaning to women, blah, blah, blah, but it was surely the choice of the actress involved in the "demeaning production" to participate? Why can people not just mind their own business, choose for themselves and not try to impose their choices on the country at large, and let others get on with their lives?

  • Hassan Chetty - 2013-04-04 12:05

    (1)Let top tv have its porn channels..(2)you can always put in a password so that you can access those channels...(3)problem starts when you only have 1 tv and every1 wants to watch tv till late even your father in law...LMFAO

  • Jacque Fransman - 2013-04-04 12:13

    This is the new world where Adults don't have a right to watch what they want and children have right to do what they want look what happend when these instituits gave our children right now you as a parent punch your child or they will end up in court for child abuse I don't think a parent wil be so naieve to let their kids watch these channels so please grow up the world don't only revolve around you so please don't decide for me to watch that you want to watch get a life please

  • GB Garratt - 2013-04-04 12:14

    Women and Men Against Child Abuse (WACKY) are now entering the political area. Don't come round asking me for money. Get some from you mates in the ACDP.

  • Theo Crous - 2013-04-04 12:26

    So you're saying that children from liberal countries (Germany, Netherlands, France...) are all ruined?

  • Pradesh Singh - 2013-04-04 12:39

    SIMPL Dont let them watch!!!! - BE the Parent!!! - There problem solved , you can thank me later....

  • grantcallaway - 2013-04-04 13:21

    Oooh...and because young girls now have unlimited access to subscribed porn with pins readily available, they will no doubt become serial rapists too...scissoring every girl they happen across (because thats what the porn channel will teach them). At least there will be an abundance of postmen, milkmen and pool cleaners...gotta be good for society! :D

  • Black B.E.E Diamond - 2013-04-04 14:34

    Actually, religious bigots ruin our kids more.

  • Daniel Werner Richter - 2013-04-04 15:13

    OMG, does anyone even read anymore? "Women and children exposed to CHILD porn are internalising dangerous deviant sexual behaviour. " I HIGHLY doubt that Top TV will be streaming CHILD porn, but thanks for the laugh. Can you please validate whether that was a typo or if that was the actual response from the WMACA?

  • Jacyjay's Letsoalo - 2013-04-04 17:41

    If everyone goes on protesting and asking this channel to stop it means then that even CellPhones are going to have an age restriction need I mention the following brands: 1. BlackBerry 2. Samsung Galaxy 3. Windows 8 phone It just mean that all phones with Wap have to come with an age restriction. Come on, stop being holier than though, grow up. Porn is available at every Taxi Rank in South Africa. Tell me if I am lying

  • Kevinwilliams - 2013-04-04 23:30

    I will petition against this for life. PORN [ People of a Ruined Nature - Never by Choice]. No normal, decent, loved person would want others see them perform the most personal act of all.

  • Kevinwilliams - 2013-04-04 23:50

    An interesting read for those who think Porn is only an adult business. Pron stars being in movies since 15 year old...Yes that the stars you want to see. Their youth being taken away by drugs and abuse. Please read and be informed. It could have been your children. http://www.therichest.org/business/the-10-most-popular-porn-stars-of-all-time/

  • Tonie Nel - 2013-04-05 07:23

    Go onto Google and type in "porn" and search. I'll wait... Keep in mind, Google is available to everyone with access to the internet, its a totally free service and regulates adult content with a single setting that can be changed with one click of a mouse.

  • revino - 2013-04-05 12:55

    Exposure to porn isnt the only social issue affecting children today...drug, alcohol and substance abuse is rife ...affecting adults and minors from all walks of life. Most indigent members of society have access to basic public broadcast TV and not pay channels...judging be the subscriber base of both service providers. Children are already exposed to soft porn on free to air channels, with no pin protection. Parents are removing the responsibility and accountability from themselves to form, nurture and influence their childrens social behaviour. Most learnt behaviour is from ones home and school....Granted that we live in a disfunctional society with broken/dysfunctional home and a poor education system.However given social media today and theready access to the internet, whats stopping children from obtaining this sort of material anyway...they have access to worse material on the web anyway. Stats have shown almost 40 % of kids have cell phones with internet access.

  • Gareth Deeble - 2013-04-05 17:36

    Its not xxx rated porn get over it christ

  • Kwajo.m - 2013-04-06 06:31

    children are being exposed to more and more extreme pornography at younger ages: - the channels have not yet started and they are already say this, how are these children currently expose? What are they doing about it? Children are also often affected badly by broken and or dysfunctional marriages as a result of pornography used by a partner:- currently 33% of South African kids are living with both parent and 67% are living with single parent -their mothers. Why use porn as the cause of dysfunctional marriages before a pay control channel even start running? public testimony of women, interviews with pornography users and sex offenders, and various other researchers' work:- where is the data for this immerse statement? Do these people currently have access to pay TVporn of some sort to come to your conclusion? I doubt if WMACA have really done research work or they are generalizing issue without a tangible facts to debate their cause? These guys are not even talking to what Topless pay TV security measure is proposing. At the end who has the right to choose my fate? - me. So I will decide if I want pay porn in my house or not.

  • Bart Onderweegs - 2013-07-21 18:24

    But lets be frank then: First agree on abolishing the Catholic Church, as they have a history of promoting and covering up child abuse. After that, we can chat on stopping Top TV putting up a porn channel, OK?

  • Bart - 2013-07-21 18:46

    WMACA thinks that there is adult porn, made for adults, and child porn made for ...children...Just like you have Trivial Pursuit for kids too, They are just a little confused, that's all.

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