Millions join Naked News boycott

2011-05-10 15:25
Cape Town - As a result of's anti-family programming policies Christian denominations and church alliances have joined the " Mass Switch Off" campaign.

Family Policy Institute said in a statement that certain Church organisations have committed to encourage church alliances and congregations in SA to boycott until it cancels the controversial Naked News programme and all other pornographic content from its broadcasting schedule.

According to the statement, more than 8.5 million members from 3 500 churches support the view that the broadcasting of nudity and sexually explicit content on national free-to-air television degrades and objectifies women and exposes children to harmful content.

Clear message

The statement goes on to say that the next phase of the boycott will involve a targeted national boycott of all businesses whose adverts are aired before, during and after the broadcasting of pornographic content on

"Millions of Christians are sick and tired of the moral decay in society. The sexual exploitation of women and children fuelled by pornography contributes significantly to the rape and sexual abuse of women and children in South Africa.

"This campaign aims to send a clear message not only to, but also the SABC, DStv and TopTV that Christian viewers will not tolerate smut on national television," said Family Policy Institute Director Errol Naidoo.



  • shmangle - 2011-05-10 15:34

    Yes, by all means, boycott. Publicly. In private, PVR each weeks episode, and watch it on the sly. You know you want to.

      Blougroen - 2011-05-10 23:04

      So why dont they boycot the SABC as well that props up a bunchg of criminals that runs this country ? Why would titties spur the religious lobby into action but not corruption ?

      daaivark - 2011-05-11 07:55

      Don't be a knuckle, blougroen. There is no comparison. Don't make this issue political. It's stupid enough as it is.

      USSA - 2011-06-22 15:57

      If you don't want to see it...don't watch it.

      wsm - 2011-06-22 22:40

      These naked news girls are a bunch of cheap stuff tarts.. Would you like your daughter or your wife to be there for all to see? They are cheap..! If you do not care you dot have high morals, and actually support the SEXUAL stimulation of depraved men who look and go out and rape a woman.. and that is VERY STUPID!

  • sahara - 2011-05-10 15:55

    "Millions of Christians are sick and tired of the moral decay in society." I am sick and tired of religous freaks , telling me what I am allowed to watch , read , listen to ......

      Blue - 2011-05-11 09:09

      HOORAY HOORAY!!! NAKED NEWS is absolutely degrades the female form and makes us look cheap!! I am also so bloomin sick of watching those disgusting sex adverts role out over and over again...its bad enough having to sift through the ongoing WWF schedules ( TOO MANY AND ALL IN THE PRIME TIME SLOTS ) to find a programme worth watching...then to have to sit with the remote in one hand to switch off the sound at least during these irritating adverts...ETV has failed dismally...TV3 far outweighs this channel...better viewing pleasure and FAR LESS adverts during movies!!

      Ateis - 2011-05-11 14:59

      Blue: "NAKED NEWS is absolutely degrades the female form and makes us look cheap!! " If that is your opinion - CHANGE THE CHANNEL! Why the big hoohah always about "degrading the female form" - the female form is beautiful and admiring it does not mean you are degrading it. Don't you have a bra to burn?

      USSA - 2011-06-22 15:58

      If you don't want to see it...don't watch it...or sell your tv.

      charlesaduplessis - 2011-08-04 17:05

      @ Blue.. if you don't like it don't watch it.. haha you are oviously nothing to look at anyway as that is normally the response you do get from an fat ugly duckling hahahaah

  • donkerhond - 2011-05-10 15:58

    I knew this was going to happen after the whole DSTV adult channel debacle. As soon as some people don't like something, they publicly boycott it and moan and moan and moan and moan until they finally get their way.

  • Mad Hatter - 2011-05-10 16:01

    Don't watch ! Churches evangelical televised exploitation of the poor for a 'small' donation is a travesty . Worry about real problems like murder , rape and what the church knows well , child abuse . Some chick presenting the news late at night with her top off is not an issue.

  • tommo - 2011-05-10 16:01

    so what time is this on then..? err, so i remember not to watch...

  • llou - 2011-05-10 16:02

    Live and let live! My husband loves the show :) (me too btw :) If you don't like it, don't watch it!

  • Sean - 2011-05-10 16:04

    If it offends you don't watch it. There again most people do when no one is watching. what are you all doing up so late you should be in bed at that time to catch the morning service.

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-05-10 16:04

    Errol Naidoo must definitely be up for 'Mampara of the Week' award... Boycott the bloody erections..sorry, elections to show your disgust at the moral decay in society cos that makes more sense that your current sexually frustrated rantings...

  • Sean - 2011-05-10 16:06

    If it offends you, don't watch it! What are you okes doing up at that time of night anyway you should all be in bed getting some rest for the morning service.

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-05-10 16:10

    BALLALUYA !!! eTV....can't wait for the news...

  • Jawellnofine - 2011-05-10 16:11

    According to the statement, more than 8.5 million members from 3 500 churches support ... Did they survey all 8.5 mil or did someone decide they will support it.

      Grant - 2011-05-10 16:59

      2500 members PER church. How big are these churches anyway??

      ISHMIZA - 2011-05-13 09:43

      they must be sleeping by then, Jesus didn't watch TV anyway!

  • Ateis - 2011-05-10 16:17

    I am SO SICK of the religious zealots deciding what we can watch! Keep your stupid religion to yourself and keep your conservative noses out of what we can or can't watch! IDIOTS!

      Mulciber - 2011-05-10 20:31

      "religious zealots", "stupid religion", "IDIOTS" Funny, you people so often stand for freedom of choice, but you would easily insult other peoples choices.

      Matt - 2011-05-11 09:33

      @ Mulciber - ah but remember, atheists can say whatever they want, it's just when people disagree with them when it becomes an issue. It's the atheists' God-given right to mock us appaerntly.

      Mulciber - 2011-05-11 10:15

      @Matt Exactly, and it is so easy to do it here.

      Ateis - 2011-05-11 11:42

      What gives you chistians the right to meddle in things like this? If you believe that a cosmic jewish zombie is coming back to save his people is that not idiocity, pray tell?

      Clotilde Masson - 2011-05-11 11:49

      @Matt, I am a Christian, but still believe in freedom of choice to watch or do as one pleases, my choice is not to watch because it's not for me, but let people be. And who am I or you too tell people what to watch, you are a follower of God not God himself.

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 11:56

      @ Clotilde Masson Well said!!!

  • Beedyeye - 2011-05-10 16:22

    I have no time for religion and don't care to have it rammed down my throat by some philandering,egotistical windbag who can't get a real job, so i don't go to church. I say let people decide for themselves what they wish to watch or not. I have children and will ensure they are not exposed to the naked news, the same way i would not take them to a nudist beach. Freedom means not forcing your opinion on others and that is called choice. Switch the bloody TV off if you don't like what you are watching with that little thing called the remote control.

  • Vincent Haywood - 2011-05-10 16:27

    christians, forcing thier opinions down everyones throat. Naked news is boring, a novelty show. Actually pretty much like all religion. I'm offended by the religious channels, shows and messaging thats all over our TV, corrupting young minds to believing a man with a bear watched everything you do. (oh and forgives the peado catholic priests)

      Vincent Haywood - 2011-05-10 16:29

      thats beard yeah

      Mulciber - 2011-05-10 17:09

      I am astonished by the number of comments made by atheists. Let me take a guess, you people have no Christian friends or you hide behind your anonymity. I find it hard to believe that you have no Christian friends in a society with so many Christians. Would you say such bloody insensitive things in the faces of your Christian friends, if you have any???

      goyougoodthing - 2011-05-10 17:25

      @Mulciber... I see you hide behind your profile hey? I have a few Christian friends, not many though as most are family which I can't choose. To be honest, the Christian friends I do have don't ram their issues down my throat and I do the same to them. However if they decided to judge me, then I will do it back. I m still not sure I get your point though... and I am not atheist, I just don't believe in religion. Figure that out.

      daaivark - 2011-05-11 07:58

      @ mulciber. WHat on earth are you actually driving at? My brother is a priest. He knows precisely how I feel. Do you think I am ashamed because I have a brain? HA HA HA.

      shmangle - 2011-05-11 08:21

      Mulciber, my father is a minister, I love him dearly, and he me. He never tries to engage me in any kind of debate over my non-belief. That's the way it should be, commandment no 11, keep they religion to thyself.

  • Rammsteen - 2011-05-10 16:32

    "..contributes significantly to the rape and sexual abuse of women..", and when the naked news is stopped watch the rape cases plummet... Yeah sure!

      Colin - 2011-06-22 15:10

      Wonder what program was causing the problem before Naked News... because if you are claiming cause and effect, given the rape stats of our country, there must be a XXX show being aired somewhere that I don't know about!

  • bobbythebozo - 2011-05-10 16:37

    But this is indeed the whole point. If you dont like it, turn it off. I very much believe in the general principles of christianity and in almost all respects live a life that I think most christians would be happy to live. With one major exception. I cant stand the arrogance of organised religion. Hence, I dont go to church. We all make our own choices. Turning off what you dont like is the obvious choice and barely news worthy if you ask me! Its really strange. It was only 6 months ago that eTV regularly broadcast softporn in this timeslot. Far more explicit than this. DSTV broadcast soft porn programming on one of their supplementary movie channels as well. A little bit of plain old nudity is probably less damagin than the steam sex scenes broadcast in every second movie. I just dont really understand why this specific programme is being targetted. If you so sensitive you might have to never leave your house.

  • PMG - 2011-05-10 16:37

    I think that the churches should focus more on priests that bugger little boys and leave Naked News alone.More humans have been slaughtered by religion than have died in any war - religion is EVIL.

  • Gandolf - 2011-05-10 16:43

    Anyone noticed the Donkeys that have been chosen to present? God forbid that they take their clothes off and show off their cellulite. Everything probably hangs anyway. Nothing even close to enticing to want to look at. Boring and a sad way for to try to garner viewers.

  • Allo Allo - 2011-05-10 16:44

    As a Christian I am encouraged to see churches around the country taking a stand together. However, if everyone of those 8.5 million church members went out into there community's to assist their fellow mankind rather than make protests from the back of their chiurch pews....well you get the picture! As for naked news. I think it is pretty stupid but certainly does not look like porn or anything that degrades women. I reckon the blokes who watch it are a bit sad. A bit embarresing that we find something like this entertaining but there is no accounting for small minded people is there!!!

  • Grant - 2011-05-10 16:57

    And I bet all 8.5 Million of them will stay up late, tuned in to e-TV in order to "identify the adverts"! Ha ha ha. Retards!

  • Ryan - 2011-05-10 17:07

    "the boycott will involve a targeted national boycott of all businesses whose adverts are aired before, during and after the broadcasting of pornographic content on" IF THEY AREN'T WATCHING HOW ARE THEY GOING TO KNOW WHICH BUSINESSES TO BOYCOTT????

      ISHMIZA - 2011-05-13 09:46

      and most of the adverts during that boring show are porn related anyway.

  • Grant - 2011-05-10 17:07

    I say the remainder of South Africa should tune in to the Naked News (even if you are asleep - just leave your TV on, tuned into e-TV, and support those advertising around the program. I couldnt care less about the Naked News, but like so many others, I'm sick of being dictated to by the mother-grundies... so lets play them at their own game now! :)

  • Mulciber - 2011-05-10 17:15

    I am astonished by the number of comments made by atheists. Let me take a guess, you people have no Christian friends or you hide behind your anonymity. I find it hard to believe that you have no Christian friends in a society with so many Christians. Would you say such bloody insensitive things in the faces of your Christian friends, if you have any???

      Chillepeppa - 2011-05-10 19:18

      Yes Mulciber, I am just about the only non religious person in all the circles I socialize in, and they are all aware of this, but not to judge, because they value and respect me. That respect includes the fact that they do not preach to me, as I do not mock their religion. BUT, if they were to become as annoyingly persistent about it as the protesters of this issue has become, i will also tell them where to get off to their faces. It's all about respect for other peoples choices. If you choose not to watch it, fine I won't force you to, and how wonderful is it that there are more channels then e-tv, but when you start messing with other people's choice to watch it, BACK OFF BUSTER!!!

      Mulciber - 2011-05-10 20:14

      @Chillepeppa Thanks, at least you are not a hypocrite. People who blatantly spew their offensive comments and generalisations about Christianity here, but would not do so in the presence of their Christian friends, are hypocrites. Strangely enough, Christians are so often called hypocrites. With regards to choices, I agree with you.

      daaivark - 2011-05-11 07:59

      As you said earlier. At least phrase it differently, or is that too difficult?

      Ateis - 2011-05-11 11:44

      Mulciber I have frequently engaged in debates with xtian friends. At least my xtian friends don't try and choose what I may and may not watch.

  • goyougoodthing - 2011-05-10 17:19

    Whatever, don't watch.

  • NuttyZA - 2011-05-10 18:03

    I wonder exactly how many if these "8.5" million people actually watch e-TV in the first place???? I seriously hope e-TV stand firm on this as the BCCSA has already ruled in e-TV's favour... Time for the rest of us to stand up against these religious nutjobs and show them we won't be dictated to... Think I may set up a website in support of e-TV and Naked News and start an online petition!!! Think we should also start petitioning to have religious programming removed from our TV's and make sure that schools no longer teach this nonsense either (as they are not constitutionaly allowed to anyway, but tend to just ignore this little fact)... in short... I am highly p**sed off!!!!

      Mulciber - 2011-05-10 20:26

      There you go again: "religious nutjobs", "have religious programming removed" and "schools no longer teach this nonsense".

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-10 22:14

      well why not... you christians are trying to tell us what we can and cannot do, so why shouldn't we start dictating some odds... besides, South Africa is a secular country and as such, no particular religion is allowed to be taught in a government school, by law.... PLUS, I realllllllllllllllly do not want my children brainwashed with christian fantasies and rubbish... it's a form of child abuse as far as I am concerned... it's about time atheists in this country stand up and be counted and get this nonsense abolished everywhere except in the churches, mosques, synagoues and temples where it belongs... I am fed up of being told what I can or cannot do by prissy, self righteous, overbearing, fanatical lunatics, who quite frankly are so feeble minded and week willed that they have to believe in some fairy tale so that they can get through life... it's about time religious nut cases man up and accept the world is a cruel, hard place with no reward at the end, other than the blissful peace of not being anymore!!!!

      poenskop - 2011-05-11 15:26

      No Nutty I am not telling you what to do. I am not judging you either. You are not a christian so you can do what you like. You are going to hell anyway. All i am going to tell you is this, and mark this day well you have been told and when you stand before the judgement throne one day you and the others will have no excuse. And this is not religion i hate religion it is hypocritical in its very essence Today i Tell you unless you believe and accept Jesus Christ the one true God as your saviour you WILL spend eternity in the Lake of Fire. Yes God is Love , but that dispensation of grace is about to end. If you die in your sin you will be condemned. Accept Jesus's love by sacrificing himself on the cross for you today. Or not its your choice. But remember this day well. You have all been told.

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 18:21

      Thanks Poenskop :) sadly tho, you are wrong... Unless you accept the love and grace of the great FSM (may his noodly appendage touch you), you are bound to an eternity without spaghetti and meatballs!

      Chillepeppa - 2011-05-11 19:41

      Shoe Peonskop... Judge much?

  • Jacques - 2011-05-10 20:57

    I would just like to ask what makes this programme more of a sin than any movie with profanity? murder? blasphemy? etc. I was under the impression that a sin is a sin so if you are going to boycott something because it is against your beliefs please do so by all means but than please do it right. This kind of boycotting only shows a double standard in the christianity which only exists because so called believers are picky about what is allowed and what isn't

      poenskop - 2011-05-11 15:29

      Good point Jacques, but that is also part of the self discipline of being a Christian, putting off the TV when those movies are on. The issue with th Naked news is that it is a "test" case to try and push the envelope by E-TV and the liberal media. They are already auditioning to do a reality "pornstar" Programme. where people compete to be the winning pornstar. thats why we oppose the naked news.

  • NuttyZA - 2011-05-10 22:40

    I also think that the only "companies" that advertise during these types of programs are the cellphone con companies, you know the type, download a pic of a naled girla and you are signed up for R10.00/day for the rest of your natural life... so don't think they could really give a toss if these so called 8.5 million boycott them or not...

  • Lizette - 2011-05-11 07:14

    All these insults thrown around! Really people! Why? This is not about churches or christians or Muslims or Hindu's or WHOMEVER religious group standing up for ANYTHING - the bottomline is that we as a society should be standing up for what is RIGHT! Is there no moral values left? No matter what your religion. Sad, sad, sad!

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 07:30

      And who gets to decide what is right? You? What gives you the right to tell me what I can and cannot do becuae YOU decide it's wrong!

      Lizette - 2011-05-11 07:52

      Common decency!

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 07:54

      and again... who get's to decide what is decent and what is not? because you find it offensive does not mean everyone finds it offensive...

      Lizette - 2011-05-11 08:01

      and again...YOU are just proving my statement! You can only throw out insults. nothing more...

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 08:08

      Where exactly have I insulted you??? Please point it out??? It is quite obvious that you don't have a reasonable response to what I said, so you cry foul and try to shift the focus of the argument by stating that I insulted you (unless of course you think that people disagreeing with your point of view is a personal insult?????)

      Johan - 2011-05-11 08:25

      Lizette, I'm with you on this one. South Africans (Christian/Muslim/etc.. as well as the non-religious bunch) are generally becoming less "decent" in all walks of live. The way we drive is just one example. Watching naked woman for entertainment at teazers is one thing as it is done behind closed doors by adults, but broadcasting it on a public service is not so cool. The guys who do not have DSTV can not block these shows and I for one would not like my children to see this. e.TV is a crappy TV service in any case so no loss to me, I hardly ever watch it.

      Lizette - 2011-05-11 08:37

      Nope, NUTTYZA - no insult to me - you do however seem to take enjoyment of doing that - so good for you! I do however stand by my statement - moral values have gone out the door! If you want to throw it at me that I dictate what it is SO be it at least you have someone to fume at ;-). It's just sad to see that in general there is no morals left and that our society accept anything thrown their way.

      Lizette - 2011-05-11 08:38

      Thanks Johan! I totally agree!

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 08:49

      The problem tho Johan, is that millions of viewers DON'T have DSTV and if they wish to watch this, they should be allowed to, without being told by a section of society that they can't... This is EXACTLY what the Apartheid government did... I recall the 1970's where one couldn't even play sport on a Sunday because it was against the governments religious beliefs... I will be damned if I let this go as I do REFUSE to let myself be dictated to again... Besides from all if this, the BCCSA has already ruled in ETV's favour, stating that they are NOT contravening any broadcast lawas as this is being broadcast in a time slot where it can reasonably be deduced that any minors should be in bed... further more, they state that TV channels should not be held soley responsible for what minors are watching and this should be the parents responsibilty.

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 08:52

      Still no response to my original argument then Lizette??? You may stand by your point of view but you haven't got a reasonable argument to back it up. and yes, I may be insulting towards Christians because quite honestly, I am insulted by them... as the saying goes, "People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"

      Lizette - 2011-05-11 09:01

      Exactly NuttyZA - you summed it up perfectly! Couldn't have said it better myself!

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 10:18

      Lizzete, I am not part of the 8.5 million people trying to trample on everyone elses rights...

      Mulciber - 2011-05-11 10:32

      All you non-believers have the right to be upset if some Christians try to impose their views upon you, but to hold the view that every Christian is a brainless idiot goes beyond my understanding. You are just being irrational yourself.

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 10:38

      I do not hold the view that every religious person is a brainless idiot... I did not generalise when I said Religious Nutjob... I do think that the supposed 8.5 million people who are doing this ARE religious nutjobs, as are the religious people on here who think the Earth is only 6000 years old when that flies in the face of all human knowledge... I also think the muslims who commit acts of terror are religious nutjobs... I have never once stated tho, that ALL religious people are nutjobs... I do actually have friends who are Christians you know as well as a couple of Muslim friends too... they are well aware that I am an Atheist... I have always stated that everyone is entitled to believe what they wish BUT it must never be imposed on anyone else! (and that DOES mean removing religious teaching from schools)

      Ateis - 2011-05-11 11:46

      Lizette, Morals? What have morals and religion to do with each other? Am I right to assume you are a christian? In that case, you derive your morals from the bible? So do you kill your disobedient children, people who work on the sabbath? And what is wrong with naked news, good grief, SWITCH IT OFF if you don't want to watch it

  • daaivark - 2011-05-11 07:54

    Although I personally find the notion of people reading the news kaalgat completely ridiculous, I find it even more absurd that churches have taken it upon themselves to "safeguard" perfectly intelligent people who have their own minds and prefer to exercise the right of thought. Save that protection for your stupid unthinking followers, but don't lay your pathetic value judgements onto reasonable people.

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 08:04

      I couldn't have said it better myself... I couldn't even be bothered to watch this, as quite honestly, staying up after midnight to see a couple of boobs really doens't do that much for me and if on the rare occasion I am up after that time, I would more than likely watch something on the History , Discovery or Nat Geo channels... point is tho, I am sick to death of being dictated to by closed minded members of our society.. if we let this one go, pretty soon they are going to start demanding that Intelligent design starts getting taught in our schools

  • Gavin Mannion - 2011-05-11 07:59

    I don't believe for an instant that they have 8.5 million people asking for it to be removed. If you don't want to see it then don't watch, I can't for the life of me remember the last time I watched anyway.

  • Wovenivy - 2011-05-11 08:40

    I am a Christian but I have a number of alternative channels to watch without spoiling the enjoyment of those who do want to watch Naked News. Naked News comes on at around midnight - if people aren't out at that time then they're usually tucked up in bed, so are the mother grundy's really so terribly exposed to Naked News in its current timeslot? Live and let live!

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 08:57

      Thank you, and a thumbs up from me! I wish more Christians were like you. As far as I am concerned, you are quite entitled to your beliefs and also more than welcome to worship your god in anyway you see fit as long as you don't try and impose your beliefs on others, which sadly apparently 8.5 million christians in this country, wish to do.

      Ateis - 2011-05-11 11:47

      Great post. Wish more religious folks were like you

  • Stephan Potgieter - 2011-05-11 08:47

    Less worry about the little bit of boobs that are shown on E-tv, and more worry about the full-on porn all your children are watching on their cell phones and the internet!

  • daaivark - 2011-05-11 08:51

    So they're all going to stay up late - way beyond their bedtimes - specially, to boycott the show by not watching. How sensible is that?

  • CptnFntstc - 2011-05-11 09:01

    Is that a hint of a nipple I see in the picture? Next we'll have 8.5 million people (which is about a quarter of the population) boycotting News24. Either way, I'll put good money on viewership of Naked News actually going up due to this debacle.

  • Matt - 2011-05-11 09:39

    Where can I voice my objection to this, seeing how the BCCSA doesn't seem to care? What I find so hypocritical from ETV is that in the morning they'll show Angus Buchan and preach Christianity, and in the evening they'll show this. (is Angus protesting I wonder?) Mock the "mother grundies" among us. I lived in Holland, where nobody protests about such things - they have 4 24/7 hardcore channels on, so kids get to see in the day what people in SA have to go to shady stores to obtain. It's because of grumpy old Christians that SA still has a shred of morality left. You may now "dislike" below :-)

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 10:17

      lol... I promise I wont click the "thumbs down" What on Earth makes you think SA has any morality? During apartheid, when such things were banned, South Africa had the Highest divorce rate in the world. There are still has more teenage pregnancies in SA than in Holland.. Figures for Holland are 5 births for every 1000 Teens, South Africa has 120 Births for every 1000 Teens, that is 240 times higher than Holland (teen defined as girls aged between 14 and 19)... going by your reasoning then, it indicates that having 4 24/7 porn channels actually REDUCES the number of teenage prgnancies by 240 times!!!!

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 10:22

      oh, just one more point... ETV are not being Hypocritical by broadcasting both... they are in business to make money, so they broadcast what they think people will want to watch during those time slots... perhaps all us atheists should start boycotting ETV until it removes those disgusting religious progams???

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 10:30

      and yeah, sorry, I realise my maths sucks... that should be 24 times not 240

      Mulciber - 2011-05-11 10:52

      NuttyZA, have you ever been to Holland. My parents live there presently. The country is in advanced stages of moral decay and atheists are thriving there. Drugs are openly sold without restriction. As Matt says nobody protests about such things there. At least here are still people in SA who are concerned about morality.

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 11:41

      Mulciber... "Atheists are thriving there?" lol, you make that sound as if it is the end of the world... you know, that if you wanted to find the highest percentage of atheists in a particular occupation, you would be best looking at people who are Doctors, Lawyers, Proffesors, Computer Programmers, Biologists etc... And yes, I think it is best that drugs are openly sold rather than behind closed doors illegally as it gives the Government some sort of control and also allows for the prevention of infectious disease thru dirty needle use. I have been to Holland... I am originally from the UK, so Holland is just a little hop across the pond. BUT the thing I find most ironic is the fact, that the most conservative section of SA society tends to come from the afrikaans community (I am not saying all afrikaans people are verkramp) and one of the most liberal societies in the world is Holland, from whom most afrikaaners descended!

      Ateis - 2011-05-11 11:49

      "The country is in advanced stages of moral decay and atheists are thriving there." LMAO- so moral decay = atheism? And what about your bronze age myth is so good - please tell me if you base your morals on that piece of filth called the bible? Funny that the scandanavian countries - who are SECULAR - are thriving countries with low crime rates? I assume you have some study to bring to our attention that connects moral decay with atheism?

      Mulciber - 2011-05-11 12:28

      I should elaborate a bit on Atheists. I do not link Atheists with immorality. I also did not notice them thriving there when I was visiting. My parents told me that, because they are working in the ministry. However, Holland changed considerably since the time they first set foot in SA. At that time, they were just as conservative as the Afrikaner ancestors. As an Afrikaner, I still regard Holland as a part of my heritage. I am just a bit concerned about them. :) I respect Atheists and know many of them are professional people. I also think the Church did some unwise or even cruel things that I do not agree with. Placing people under censure, stoning them, beating them and burning them are so ungodly. Jesus did not do that neither did he instruct that.

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 12:51

      Mulciber, look, you actually seem like a very nice person from the interactions I have had with you, so I am not going to tear into the last comment you made (because I could) and would just like to say, don't believe everything you are told (even if it is someone you see as an authority figure). Don't believe everything you read either. Do a little bit of research about your religion and don't just follow it blindly... read up about other religions (and I don't mean just the Abrahamic religions either). Think about all the other religions that have come and gone in the past and how you now think them wrong. Knowledge is power and only with knowledge are you able to make the correct decisions in life

      Ateis - 2011-05-11 13:19

      Mulciber: "stoning them, beating them and burning them are so ungodly. Jesus did not do that neither did he instruct that" So you believe that the old testament is not valid anymore? Hmmmm. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." Luke 16:17 NAB "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." Matthew 5:17 NAB I would be very interested in why you think you're justified (or any christian for that matter) to decide what we can't and can watch?

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 13:27

      to be fare Ateis, mulciber did state above "All you non-believers have the right to be upset if some Christians try to impose their views upon you"... He/She does seem to contradict him/herself a lot tho

      Ateis - 2011-05-11 13:36

      NuttyZA: Agreed - and that is my whole point. By trying to censor this show christians are imposing their view of what is moral and what is not on everyone else

      Mulciber - 2011-05-11 13:53

      @Ateis The Old Testament is still valid. In the verse you quoted, Jesus said he has come to fulfill it. I hope you understand what that means. We have to see the full context (Old and New Testaments). We can't just follow one and neglect the other. I believe that Christians are by no means justified to decide what you can watch and what you can't, but Christians are entitled to our opinion on the matter. However, even if we disapprove, enforcing it on you is wrong in my opinion. My solution is, like many others', those who disapprove of it, don't watch it. The rest are free to watch it.

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 13:54

      Ateis, I agree... that is what I have been arguing all along (for the past 2 days on different articles about this)... I really think it's about time that atheists in this country stand up and be counted and actually do something to counter these extremist Christians. The problem with us atheists is that we generally are far too complacent i.e. we moan and complain on these forums but when it comes to it, we think to ourselves, oh well, what real harm does it do anyway and just tend to drop it... think we should start an organisation which stands up to the likes of people like Errol Naidoo. I for one, would like to get the teaching of any religious dogma banned from all government schools.

      NuttyZA - 2011-05-11 14:00

      Mulciber, have you actually read the Old Testement? If you have, then you would understand what Ateis is saying about stoning, beating and burning people is valid. The old testement is a violent hatefilled book, full or murder, genocide and a hateful, vengeful god!

      Ateis - 2011-05-11 14:04

      Mulciber: "The Old Testament is still valid. In the verse you quoted, Jesus said he has come to fulfill it. I hope you understand what that means. We have to see the full context (Old and New Testaments). We can't just follow one and neglect the other." OK - let's see: "Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death." Exodus 21:15 NAB "If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness." Proverbs 20:20 NAB "All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense." Leviticus 20:9 NLT That is in the old testament. And like I said - the bible is NOT a good source of morals. "My solution is, like many others', those who disapprove of it, don't watch it. The rest are free to watch it." Agreed - but in the same breath - you support the xtians who want this banned/censored?

      Mulciber - 2011-05-11 14:36

      I never said I supported the actual ban. I mainly support the opinions, but not those about rape. I agree that the Old Testament contains violent verses and it sometimes give a violent image to God. However, God had to judge sin because God is righteous, just as He is merciful. Being righteous is part of God's character. The violent nature of dealing with sin changed after the Crucifixion though. The verses about "father and mother" you quoted, actually relate to one of the Ten Commandments.

      Ateis - 2011-05-11 14:57

      Mulciber: So then will you kill a disobedient child? Or a man who works on the sabbath It's a separate debate but: 1. god created everything 2. god is all powerful 3. god knows everything that will happen 4. everything that will happen is god's will So some ppl were born to burn in hell?

      Mulciber - 2011-05-11 15:33

      No, only God has the right to kill/judge/condemn, but remember, He is still righteous, He won't just do it randomly or because He feels like it. Working on the Sabbath is a difficult topic, because these days some people have a lot of work responsibilities. We should still honour it though and try our best to avoid circumstances in which we blatantly dishonour it. I believe nobody is just born to go to hell, every human being in the world is born with free choice or will. We are prone to commit sin though.

      Ateis - 2011-05-11 15:35

      Mulciber: But your bible clearly instructs you to kill disobedient children? And this is your source of morals? "believe nobody is just born to go to hell, every human being in the world is born with free choice or will" How can your will be free if the choice that you make is known to god before your birth and the choice is his will?

      Mulciber - 2011-05-11 16:22

      @Ateis About the killing of disobedient children, there are some long but good explanations to be found on the internet, so google it. It relates to disobedience to God rather than disobedience of children to their parents. "How can your will be free if the choice that you make is known to god before your birth and the choice is his will?" The choice is not His will, the choice is still yours. :)

  • Matilda - 2011-12-05 07:53

    BOYCOTT!!!! I agree disgusting trash chucked down our throats! Makes me want to GAG!!!

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